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Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:55 AM Dec 2014

End of America - Naomi Wolf

This is an interesting and informative primer on the various stages we have gone through, so far.

Naomi Wolf's insights seem relevant when it comes to the relationship of torture and our own rights, especially when it comes to any assumptions we might hold. In that sense, it is still a topical movie that might underscore how we need to be concerned, on a personal level, about the unbridled use of torture by our own government due to the fact that none of us is immune to it from a legal standpoint.

If you haven't seen this yet, it is worth the watch and might inspire some discussion and controversy, as well. It is from 2012.

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Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. Nice well don't watch it, it's better to keep your head down anyway
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:40 AM
Dec 2014

I couldn't find anything in the video that wasn't truthful. There might have been some inaccuracies, but I would have to see every single claim sourced and run down each claim separately to find them. Not really worth it when the bulk of her argument is completely true.

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Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
15. Sorry my translator is broken.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:47 PM
Dec 2014

Something something about I don't agree with the gun thing so anything she says is an auto lie or just wrong. Then some RW talking point which just doesn't seem to work for me.

glad you puked.

Response to Kalidurga (Reply #15)

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
17. You are blind
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:43 PM
Dec 2014

I can see you though. There are people who's sole purpose in posting on message boards is to trash articles that they do not like. To stifle dissent. To mock people and make fun of ideas that they feel threatened by. To cast a negative light on the topic. They do not think about the topic. They do not talk about the topic. They do not add to the discussion in any way shape or form. Insults are one way they attack other posters.

But, if you must know I am not a believer. I take everything I read or hear with a grain of salt. You have said nothing of substance. You have nothing to add to this discussion since you won't even watch the video. You have no counterpoint. Just vague insult like one liner tossing.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
12. Wolf was placed on a terror watch list for no reason other than being critical of the U.S. gov't...
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 04:35 PM
Dec 2014

. . . And I don't have to agree with everything she has ever said in order to recognize that there is a great deal of truth in this film. Is Wolf paranoid, or are you in denial.?

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
2. Wolf is a tinfoil hat loon who has repeatedly called that prick Alex Jones a "brave truth teller"
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 01:27 AM
Dec 2014

Remember the lies she put forward a few years ago, claiming Obama single-handedly orchestrated the destruction of OWS? Her 'evidence" to this claim was laughable and easily debunked.

She's a proven liar, and pals around with a lot shady rightwing miltia-type folks like Jones and should not be trusted.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
4. Tin Hat? Paranoid? Alex Jones fan? These are all "name calling" without dealing with Ms. Wolf on a
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:28 AM
Dec 2014

Factual basis. I hope there are more fact based comments on this great presentation. Fact is, democracy ain't automatic nor is it the never ending treat that just keeps bubbling to the surface. No, democracy needs to be protected, as some will deem it more valuable to profit from democracy's loss. Please watch this and share it on FB or other media.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
5. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:52 AM
Dec 2014
"The further a society drifts from Truth, the more it will hate those who speak it." George Orwell

Those with the goal of reanimating the Third Reich corpse, or a facsimile thereof, do not want to hear these easily verifiable parallels. But any of us can see the dramatic changes that have taken place in this nation and the world since the stolen election of 2,000. And few of us would see these changes as positive.

Look at the way OWS was demonized by the the strictly controlled media. The powers didn't want the population to hear criticism of the Wall Street fraudsters so they shut it down in a coordinated effort.

I haven't read everything Naomi Wolf has said. And I have not seen everything she has asserted in film. But in this segment she is completely accurate. We ignore her warning at our own peril.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
6. Listening to statement about not doing anything wrong, but all they have to do is say you did
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:02 AM
Dec 2014

something wrong-that's all it takes.

SamKnause

(13,107 posts)
8. Excellent video.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:54 AM
Dec 2014

I shared it with my niece and her husband.

I cry every time I watch it.

Things have gotten much worse and are advancing rapidly since I first viewed this video.

Many new destructive and restrictive laws have been passed.

The police continue to be given more leeway.

The CIA torture reports shows the cruel brutality of the 'enhanced' interrogations.

The 24/7 media parade of torturers plastered all over the media defending their illegal actions.

The complete control the banks and Wall Street have over our government.

I don't feel safe or secure in my country.

It is not because of terrorists.

It is not because of criminals.

I don't feel safe or secure because I fear the actions of my government and the police that keep them in power.

I fear the tinderbox is very close to ignition.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
9. I really do not care
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 11:22 AM
Dec 2014

if many of you label me as a "tin foil hat wearing, conspiracy theorist." Alternately I do not understand the lack of Americans willingness to even consider that we have been and are being assaulted from within. This has happened before, during the FDR presidency. Then it was a cabal of the elite trying to overturn a man whose goal it was to help ordinary Americans. General Smedley Butler saved us from their oligarchy. I predict that IF Bernie Sanders becomes our POTUS, it will be another, even stronger attempt on "our constitution." Especially since the elitists are currently in power, as they were during the 1920's.
If September 11th wasn't a planned "false flag operation" then it was a huge coincidence on so many levels...America's defense forces were in the middle of a mock exercise and unable to respond to the "terrorists" for about ten times the usual response time. The physical evidence of the official story has some heavy inconsistencies with physics and the original, live on tee-vee evidence. Mainly, September 11th was used to shred our constitution and it is still continuing.
Of course these inconsistencies have been "officially explained away" and anyone who says different is a conspiracy nut...ME.
It is just like climate change in that respect.
IMO, Naomi Wolf does an excellent job of informing us (this was pre-Snowden revelations) of the striking similarities of the rise of fascism in Germany (think of the burning of the Reich-stag", a very modern country with a strong human rights contingency of citizens.
I suggest studying history, observing what has happened to our "rights" post 9/11 and keep an open mind while being vigilant in your resolve to make America a country of equals.

SamKnause

(13,107 posts)
10. I agree 100%.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 12:09 PM
Dec 2014

Please read my post above.

I just printed out a copy of the 10 Steps.

I am going to share it with my family on Christmas Eve.

My mother 90, my brother 59, and my sister 63 do not have the internet.

The rest of my family members do.

I wish they could see the video.

I don't think my sister will be interested.

She has LinkTV and never watches it.

She doesn't like Democracy Now.

I love watching documentaries, lectures, debates, and doing research on line.

P.S. I have done hundreds of hours of research about 9/11.

We are being lied to.

It is intentional.

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