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NC Gross Pig Farms seen by drone, wastes sprayed over homes - unbelievable! (Original Post) RKP5637 Jan 2015 OP
Chineese Owned. Wellstone ruled Jan 2015 #1
Chinese owned, American environmental standards.... Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #8
Nothing worse than pig poop! riversedge Jan 2015 #2
It's horrible. Where I grew up there was a farm way down the road, you actually had to hold RKP5637 Jan 2015 #6
So true .. polly7 Jan 2015 #42
I think chicken poop is worse. sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #45
No. Chicken manure smells bad, but hog manure is the champion... Blanks Jan 2015 #70
I raised hogs and could deal with cleaning up after them, but not chickens! sinkingfeeling Jan 2015 #74
Really? That kind of surprises me... Blanks Jan 2015 #75
WOW! brush Jan 2015 #3
Picked up? I'm sure legislation is being worked by ALEC as we speak... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2015 #13
God! Your're probably right. nt brush Jan 2015 #14
Your not far off.... Historic NY Jan 2015 #18
yes, drones will be the next thing banned-that is a given riversedge Jan 2015 #32
And I bet most "farm" organizations would back ALEC on such legislation. bulloney Jan 2015 #24
We need to go back to family farming. zeemike Jan 2015 #4
Exactly what it is! Frankenstein Factory Farming! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2015 #7
The word "local" pops up in my mind these days in so many contexts. arcane1 Jan 2015 #23
I saw a youtube video on a family that raised and sold chickens. zeemike Jan 2015 #30
I'm starting to see more people do things like have ducks in their backyard, for eggs. arcane1 Jan 2015 #31
Most of family farms in my area have been bought up by the mega riversedge Jan 2015 #33
Yep, I recall that quite well where I grew up. There used to be small farms and all, it was RKP5637 Jan 2015 #35
There is a lot of interest in farming.... BronxBoy Jan 2015 #60
That is good news. zeemike Jan 2015 #65
Access to land BronxBoy Jan 2015 #66
k and r. duh. bbgrunt Jan 2015 #5
Hey, it's a Republican controlled state. Good luck getting the government to regulate this. Kablooie Jan 2015 #9
dont ride in small planes, kid. mopinko Jan 2015 #10
Seems it could be converted to fertilizer maybe? brush Jan 2015 #16
Umm thats what they are doing. Elmergantry Jan 2015 #20
Did you not watch the video? brush Jan 2015 #21
i am sure whatever would come out of the digester mopinko Jan 2015 #63
k trof Jan 2015 #11
sickening. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #12
Still feel like eating bacon? undeterred Jan 2015 #15
Yep, my thoughts too! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2015 #17
Sickening. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #19
This is news? Elmergantry Jan 2015 #22
I envy you. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2015 #26
Muck out the pig pen for a few monts for me Elmergantry Jan 2015 #50
These people are psychopaths. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #25
K & R Thespian2 Jan 2015 #27
One of those lagoons exploded about 10 years ago. Hoppy Jan 2015 #28
It is ultimately goes onto the fields as ferterlizer Elmergantry Jan 2015 #52
Posted on Facebook Hulk Jan 2015 #29
If we had a congress that was not useless something could be done, but I do RKP5637 Jan 2015 #36
Put this vile piece on Social Media, let folks know, as the MSM won't touch this drynberg Jan 2015 #34
Truly appalling. trusty elf Jan 2015 #37
I wish Americans could see this video, the photos and learn how 'farming' is being practiced. appalachiablue Jan 2015 #38
Most Americans IMO are clueless as to how their supposedly free country operates RKP5637 Jan 2015 #46
kick, kick, kick..... daleanime Jan 2015 #39
Every year the county ag folks sponsor a day on the farm dembotoz Jan 2015 #40
PS-one of the reasons me meat intake.... daleanime Jan 2015 #41
I once drove about 5 miles from one of these operations workinclasszero Jan 2015 #43
Paul McCartney's "Glass Walls" workinclasszero Jan 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author RKP5637 Jan 2015 #49
Stupid post. Agschmid Jan 2015 #53
So true, although I was thinking of the turkey farm during her campaign ad. I'll delete it. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2015 #55
Thanks. Agschmid Jan 2015 #61
Thanks for linking that. berni_mccoy Jan 2015 #56
This is the price of "cheap" meat Victor_c3 Jan 2015 #47
RFK Jr has been trying to get these atrocious 'farms', animal and human torture chambers shut down sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #48
Edible Insects tecelote Jan 2015 #51
If this is *News* to you, you need to OPEN your eyes. Agschmid Jan 2015 #54
It's not at all news to me, I lived where this was going on. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2015 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Jan 2015 #73
Disturbing. berni_mccoy Jan 2015 #57
This IS a partisan issue. Class warfare. Anti-business. Yargle-bargle! tclambert Jan 2015 #58
This is one reason I don't like to eat pork.... blackspade Jan 2015 #62
Same here, in fact all meat turns me off because of similar things. I'm not a vegetarian, RKP5637 Jan 2015 #64
Same here. blackspade Jan 2015 #67
I will give up bacon becuase of this Burf-_- Jan 2015 #68
Whenever I go to the meat and poultry section and see all of the dead meat, it reminds me RKP5637 Jan 2015 #69
Here's something puke inducing too: BeanMusical Jan 2015 #71
WTF? Google deleted them. That, is so F'en evil! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2015 #72

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
6. It's horrible. Where I grew up there was a farm way down the road, you actually had to hold
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jan 2015

your nose as you went by it.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
42. So true ..
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jan 2015

as a little girl I loved our few pigs, but cleaning them out was something you did at warp-speed, holding your breath with each shovelful.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
70. No. Chicken manure smells bad, but hog manure is the champion...
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 06:45 PM
Jan 2015

Of course it depends on the concentration, but hog manure will gag you. It's really bad.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
75. Really? That kind of surprises me...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jan 2015

I've had chickens for a couple of years, and sure, they smell really bad when it rains and your drainage isn't too good, but it makes me nauseous to drive past a hog farm.

A matter of personal preference I suppose. Horse manure after it has had a chance to dry out a little actually has kind of a pleasant odor, unless it gets saturated in which case it smells really bad too.

brush

(53,791 posts)
3. WOW!
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jan 2015

Now that's what I call investigative journalism, but I bet this won't be picked up by the MSM because these farms are located next to black and/or poor neighborhoods.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
13. Picked up? I'm sure legislation is being worked by ALEC as we speak...
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:02 PM
Jan 2015

... To make it a federal offense to fly drones over farms.

bulloney

(4,113 posts)
24. And I bet most "farm" organizations would back ALEC on such legislation.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jan 2015

Groups such as the National Pork Producers and Farm Bureau have small family farmers scared into believing that if the corporate mega farms are regulated, the smaller family farms will be regulated out of business.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
4. We need to go back to family farming.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 07:43 PM
Jan 2015

Where every small farm had a diversity of crops and livestock and a way to market direct to the public and local processing and distribution.

There are young people interested in farming and we should be encouraging them and so should the government.
We need a billionaire to fund a project to re introduce local organic farming in communities all over our land...That is what it will take to stop this Frankenstein factory farming.
It is not really farming it is a factory that turns out flesh.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
23. The word "local" pops up in my mind these days in so many contexts.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jan 2015

And you are 100% correct! Hell, we even send chickens to China to be processed, then sent back here. Those workers are paid so poorly that this is considered cost-effective!!

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
30. I saw a youtube video on a family that raised and sold chickens.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:02 AM
Jan 2015

to the public at a farmers market....and it was all done humanely with free range chickens...just think of the energy wasted by shipping them to China and then back...it makes no sense.
I say cut out the middle men like Tyson Foods and pay it right to the small farmer...and that money stays right in the community.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
31. I'm starting to see more people do things like have ducks in their backyard, for eggs.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:09 AM
Jan 2015

And much more food-growing vs lawns and landscaping.

AND, a new law went into effect here this year that says a landlord can't evict a tenant based on the tenant growing food. It used to be that an apartment complex would allow flowers and stuff on the balcony, but not allow beans and other edibles. Those days are over!!

I grow a little bit of food on my tiny balcony. It's only enough to supplement my diet, maybe 0.001% of it, but it's so much fun!

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
33. Most of family farms in my area have been bought up by the mega
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:38 AM
Jan 2015

farms. HUGE dairy farms that run their big trucks tractors all over the roads--ruin the roads and county too poor to pay for upkeep.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
35. Yep, I recall that quite well where I grew up. There used to be small farms and all, it was
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:18 AM
Jan 2015

quite nice. It was a community. Then, these huge faceless outfits started moving in, buying up all the farms, huge trucks, the entire mega thing, and now when I've been back a few times all the small towns that used to be prosperous are now falling apart, the once prosperous stores are hollow buildings, many people look down and out, even the banks are gone. Downtowns look border deserted, nothing like it was years ago. And in manufacturing, all gone to China and wherever other than the US. This country continues to be gutted for the majority of Americans.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
60. There is a lot of interest in farming....
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 03:23 PM
Jan 2015

In the work that I do, I'm seeing a lot of interest from 2 main groups: young people and older folks from corporate America seeking a career change.

One of the problems we have in this country is that as family farms disappeared and corporate farming began to grow, a lot of the farming infrastructure disappeared. Things like meat processing facilities, canneries etc all went bye-bye. In the state of Georgia for example, there is absolutely nowhere in the state for a small poultry producer to take birds to have them legally processed for the table. You have to take them out of state which can kill your profit margins or process under the table.

The USDA has recognized this and is slowly making funds available for small to medium agriculture to rebuild this infrastructure but it will take some time

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
65. That is good news.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jan 2015

And another problem is land and how much it costs...not available to many people who don't have the means...most of the good farmland is owned by the corporate world and farmed that way.

But yes I see lots of the young interested in it too and that is reason to hope...I have said this for years.
People are poor because they have no land.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
66. Access to land
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:19 PM
Jan 2015

Has always been and will continue to be a problem. But I am seeing some interesting creative solutions being developed such as incubator farms and innovative uses of crowd funding to den with the land issues

It will be interesting to see how the current congress deals with SNAP and EBT. These programs combines with double your dollars programs like Wholesome Wave has helped to drive the growth of farmers markets into new areas especially poorer underserved ones. This in turn is creating new market opportunities for smaller farmers

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
9. Hey, it's a Republican controlled state. Good luck getting the government to regulate this.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jan 2015

Free capitalism will always be the best for everyone so don't worry, this problem will fix itself automatically!


mopinko

(70,132 posts)
10. dont ride in small planes, kid.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jan 2015

why this stuff isnt used for something just mystifies me.

eta, i mean, put that stuff in an anaerobic digester at the least. capture the methane and ammonia.

brush

(53,791 posts)
16. Seems it could be converted to fertilizer maybe?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:10 PM
Jan 2015

Or as you say the methane and ammonia harvested as by-products instead of spaying in the air.

There should be some EPA action taken and arrests made.

Environmental racism indeed.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
20. Umm thats what they are doing.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:47 PM
Jan 2015

Spraying over fields that will be planted. You didn't think they sprayed it in the air and it just all blew away did you?

brush

(53,791 posts)
21. Did you not watch the video?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jan 2015

They're spraying it to empty the huge pond of waste before it overflows but the spray is going on people's houses, clothes lines, yards, pets, etc.

It's not about fertilizing the fields it's about emptying waste pond.

I would think they would package the fertilizer as a by-product of the pig operation instead of indiscriminately spraying it in the air where the wind blows it over people and their houses.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
22. This is news?
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jan 2015

Many here need to get out of the city and look around.

Why do you think food is so relatively cheap? Industrial farming. The govt wants you to spend your money on lattes, iphones and automobiles, not food.

But you could go ahead and order a pig from me that was raised the way people think they should be raised. $600 processed... about $4.00 per pound. And at that price its hardly worth my time. I would make more money being a door greeter at WalMart pointing out to the customers where the cheap pork is.

Yes you have to buy the whole or half pig. It's problematic to sell pork by the cuts, Thanks to our omnipotent govt, I would have to use USDA inspected processing. USDA Processors are limited, the regs are too onerous for many small custom processors that people like me use. Big govt using regs to squeeze out the "little" guy so that huge processors using pork from these factory farms are often the only ones who can afford to keep up with the Regs. That said, my USDA pork would be more like $6/lb...Poor people wont be buying my pork.

BTW my pork is delicious.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
26. I envy you.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jan 2015

I had organic pork when I had my country place, back in the late 70's/early 80's.
Unbelievable flavor in the eggs, milk, pork and chicken.

There's a guy 40 miles from me, across the line in Fla. who sells his own pork, and it works out to 8.00 a pound.
The grass fed beef I got this summer was 4.25 hanging weight, so cut and wrapped was quite a bit higher.

Luckily I can have chickens here in town..

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
50. Muck out the pig pen for a few monts for me
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jan 2015

And that envy may disappear
People always ask, do you miss them? I say no, I got sick and tired of their shit!

I kept mine confined but with deep bedding and lots of room. But too much labor. Want to put them out to pasture for better welfare and less labor. That wont be for a few years as I have a ways to go to get there - land prep, fencing , etc.. But this coming spring just a couple pigs for myself only.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
27. K & R
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jan 2015

For your health and peace of mind, do not drive east on I 40 and cross I 95. You will soon smell the reason why.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
28. One of those lagoons exploded about 10 years ago.
Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jan 2015

Waste was sent 500 ft into the air.

The waste is high in nitrogen and would be a valuable fertilizer. First, however, it would have to be dried and that is expensive.

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
52. It is ultimately goes onto the fields as ferterlizer
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jan 2015

Reason it is stored till then is you can only spread it at certain times of the year depending on your crop roation.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
29. Posted on Facebook
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:59 AM
Jan 2015

My son had posted earlier today, and I felt compelled to post it myself. I HATE posting depressing crap, but this seems like the word needs to get out.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
36. If we had a congress that was not useless something could be done, but I do
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 08:31 AM
Jan 2015

bet many are only interested in profits for them, whomever, whatever and their cronies, many IMO would never do anything about this, for example. Some certainly would, but the majority, I doubt it.

drynberg

(1,648 posts)
34. Put this vile piece on Social Media, let folks know, as the MSM won't touch this
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 07:28 AM
Jan 2015

Also, pick your favorite environmental group and send them this, and ask for ACTION. As for me, no thanks on the pork products, or other animal based foods.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
38. I wish Americans could see this video, the photos and learn how 'farming' is being practiced.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jan 2015

But little chance of that since the mainstream Media is totally corporate and monopolistic like the super banks and mega corps that own about every consumer product we use from crackers and soda to Pepto Bismol and Duracell batteries.

In 2012 there was an excellent article with graphs that you can find online by googling, '10 Companies Own Practically Everything We Consume'. It covers;

-Media cos. that control 90% of what we read, see or hear-
Comcast, News Corp (Fox), Viacom, Time Warner, Disney.

-the super Banks;
JP Morgan, Citibank, BoA, Chase, Wells Fargo, Goldman

-Consumer products;
P & G, Unilever, Kellogg, Mars, General Mills, Pepsi, Coca Cola and 3 others I can't recall.

I'm a vegetarian mostly for two years, was never a big meat eater, can't digest it and got sick with dysentery in S.A. when younger. I can live w/o meat easily, enjoy dairy occasionally if it's organic.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
46. Most Americans IMO are clueless as to how their supposedly free country operates
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jan 2015

in reality and how rigged capitalism fences them in.

dembotoz

(16,808 posts)
40. Every year the county ag folks sponsor a day on the farm
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jan 2015

big pancake breakfast, tours, all the pols show up....

somehow we never go to one of these places

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
43. I once drove about 5 miles from one of these operations
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jan 2015

The stench was incredible! I can't imagine having to smell that filthy odor 24/7!

I bet with the GOP clown car in control, flying a drone over a factory farm will soon be a felony.

Response to workinclasszero (Reply #44)

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
47. This is the price of "cheap" meat
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jan 2015

People are kept in the dark about where their meat and food comes from for a reason.

Wait a second, the picture on the box my butter came in shows a picture of an old-fashioned farm. Isn't that where the cows that make my butter live? The styrofoam container my eggs come in have a picture of a similar looking farm stamped on it too!!

That would seriously disrupt people and their diets if they actually knew what sorts of places their food comes from.


If only there was a way to spread the word to the masses without depending on traditional media outlets...

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
48. RFK Jr has been trying to get these atrocious 'farms', animal and human torture chambers shut down
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jan 2015

for years.

This is what will happen if the TPP passes. Foreign Corps can violate our environmental laws right now, as someone said, the TPP will be NAFTA on steroids!

Disgusting and should be totally illegal. But our China 'business partnership' trumps American sovereignty.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
51. Edible Insects
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.BugsForDinner.com

Insects are high in protein, vitamins and minerals. They use significantly less resources to produce. They can be produced in high volume anywhere in the world with low-tech equipment. Why are insects not the new Super-Food? Because, they’re gross.

Response to Agschmid (Reply #54)

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
58. This IS a partisan issue. Class warfare. Anti-business. Yargle-bargle!
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 02:54 PM
Jan 2015

These businesses are just trying to make a profit. And, according to pro-business Republican ethics, any chance of profit makes the activity ethical. Therefore, if it helps this business make a penny more of profit, then it is morally righteous for them to spray pig poop all over the neighborhood. If the neighbors don't like it, they have the freedom to move someplace cleaner. Maybe they should try a gated community on a golf course. Oh, the neighbors are poor people? Well, who cares, then? If poor people complain, it's envy and class warfare. And in class warfare, the rich always win. Wait, is that a guillotine I see coming over the hill?

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
64. Same here, in fact all meat turns me off because of similar things. I'm not a vegetarian,
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jan 2015

but I could be persuaded because of stuff like this.

 

Burf-_-

(205 posts)
68. I will give up bacon becuase of this
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jan 2015

I already can't stand pork or ham ...it sickens my stomach. After this i think bacon is off my list too.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
69. Whenever I go to the meat and poultry section and see all of the dead meat, it reminds me
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jan 2015

of stuff like this. I'm not a vegetarian, yet, but stuff like this gets to me, the cruelty of it all. It is unnecessary.

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