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Related: About this forumHUGE Brawl Breaks out at St. Louis City Hall between police & Ferguson protesters
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Joanie Baloney
(1,357 posts)for phone cameras and the internet!
lobodons
(1,290 posts)Just saying.
Roorda saying he was just trying to leave..??? Seems to me he went into full on Demon attack mode as he finished his statement waving his arms and pointing as he screamed something while he was "just trying to Leave".
Veilex
(1,555 posts)So you're gonna use the same language they use to mischaracterize others in an effort to excuse their bad behavior?
I'd recommend sticking to just the facts rather than implying someone is a "demon".
Facts are on our side without the need for name calling.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Veilex
(1,555 posts)They are misguided, on the wrong side of history and have lost contact with their humanity... but calling them "demons" empowers them.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Misguided is too kind of a word to describe people who from a place mental of bigotry intentionally harm others. Lost humanity, yes, that puts them in the realm of evil.
Veilex
(1,555 posts)Its the same reason the "Hilter defense" - That is, aside from overuse, pointing to Hitler as a reason why someone thinks they are right, is a terrible argument... often because of either logical fallacy or overly emotional sentiment. Using it causes a near automatic rolling of the eyes.
You use an interesting turn of phrase: "Mental bigotry". Classifying someone as "evil" is itself a form of mental bigotry in that it is a word used to enforce separation and otherization (Not a reflection on you in any way shape or form). Point of example: There are a lot of very good people out there; some who'd classify themselves as Pagan... others who would classify themselves as Christian. So long as these two groups don't discuss religion, they can, and often do, get along swimmingly. The moment they learn of each other's beliefs, they become quick to demonize one another and call each other "evil".
My point being that it is much better to name the crimes and let the weight of an individual's actions be known, and to let that weight press on that person, than to dismissively just call them evil...which carries no weight and presumes the individual irredeemable.
You might be asking why calling them evil is dismissive. The reason why its dismissive is because its used in the same way people say "Boys will be boys", or "Congress always lies", or the way Captain Jack Sparrow says by way of explanation "Pirate". It implicitly attaches an explanation onto the subject that the behavior is to be expected and there is nothing that can be done about it.
Anyway, that's just how I see it.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)belief). Evil is secular. The word evil is not of another world like hell, nor does it carry no weight or consequence in this world. Evil is present in this world using the definition I stated. There are those who commit acts of evil who are not redeemable. There are those who commit acts of evil which can be redeemed. Evil does exist in this world, to dismiss that is to deny a facet of this human existence.
Demons I define as those who commit acts of evil who are unredeemable, not otherworldly grisly beings. Again, secular.
Mental bigotry I define as states of consciousness which produce thoughts and actions which intentionally harm groups of others.
At this time, in this world, we, all of us, still perceive us and other. The vast majority have not evolved above this. But perceiving us and other does not make a bigot. The hatred of other makes a bigot. Hatred leads to evil, the demon.
I worded the sentence in my previous post poorly. My correction would state the person committed an act of evil.
Veilex
(1,555 posts)Sorry if I was getting little too nitpicky. Sometimes I focus awfull heavily on words and their definitions.
Sometimes it leads me to playing devil's advocate
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)has devolved. It really seems this society seems to be getting sicker and sicker while these clowns in blue are getting drunker and drunker on their power trip. Something is going to break or unravel for those who don't like the term breakage. This white guy is a beastly demon in blue, no doubt about it. Many of them really are demon driven. The racist hate demon.
Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)Police brutality under the guise of national security.
americannightmare
(322 posts)Recruit within the community! No more nearly all-white police forces in majority black neighborhoods. More walking patrols. The whole way policing is done in this country needs to be changed. We should at least fight for that. For example, police 'response' versus patrol. They are not preventing a crime if it happens somewhere else, they can only 'respond,' all they can do at that point is either prevent escalation, call for further emergency assistance (EMT, ambulance) or chase someone. Meantime, while they are not responding, they should be out of their cars, walking the beat and making meaningful connections with the community that will help prevent crime. Right now these guys are ominous assholes sitting in cars waiting to 'respond' elsewhere, shoot at somebody or sitting ducks waiting to be shot (like the NYC officers). I think you can't prevent crime sitting in a car!
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Yeah, buddy, that's an interesting pejorative for people who are resisting police brutality and asking for a reasonable response to the murder of an unarmed teenager. Kinda self-serving, you smug racist. And, your "bracelet" says all I need to know about you.
Blech. I see that most of the police in Ferguson are irony impaired.