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Scientists Warn The Apocalypse Is Close (Original Post) WhoIsNumberNone Feb 2015 OP
''...human-caused doomsday?'' DeSwiss Feb 2015 #1
If we buy the junk China produces then we are part of the problem. jwirr Feb 2015 #6
Cheap shit from China is all we can afford since we gave away all our jobs to China. We are whereisjustice Feb 2015 #14
Agreed. If this keeps up we will not even be able to afford that. jwirr Feb 2015 #17
Historically (emissions stay in the atmosphere for centuries) the US and Western Europe are culpable swilton Feb 2015 #10
Global warming? The U.S. got us here. thesquanderer Feb 2015 #11
Praise the Lord! The rapture is nigh! Kablooie Feb 2015 #2
But it's still basically an assessment of nuclear war, isn't it? Vic Tree Feb 2015 #3
Climate change has geo-political implications out the wazzoo. Darb Feb 2015 #13
Why does the world still have to live under the terrorist threat of half a dozen nuclear nations? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #4
And unfortunately we have a lot of humans who think it is their job to bring about the Apocalypse jwirr Feb 2015 #5
People always get upset when... ProudProg2u Feb 2015 #7
If there ever is a nuclear exchange... Archae Feb 2015 #8
Climate Change and Nuclear Weapons panfluteman Feb 2015 #9
Confidence is High (irony if there ever was) packman Feb 2015 #12
Funny how the majority of the posts so far are claiming their innocence by blaming someone else who shebornik Feb 2015 #15
the tools for protest and dissent are slowly being stripped away from us... whereisjustice Feb 2015 #18
People are being factory farmed like hogs forced to live in their own waste. As long as the 1%-ers whereisjustice Feb 2015 #16
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
1. ''...human-caused doomsday?''
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 05:13 AM
Feb 2015

Which humans would that be, exactly? The ones that caused us to reach this stage, I mean? Because I never figured-out nor even wanted how to make a nuclear bomb or reactor, and I contribute very little to global warming directly since I'm not China who contributes 1/4 of worldwide co2 all by itself.

- I'm thinking that by calling it ''human-caused'' it simply deflects attention away from the real perpetrators......


I think most humans on this planet would do it differently than The Oligarchs......

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
14. Cheap shit from China is all we can afford since we gave away all our jobs to China. We are
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 02:54 PM
Feb 2015

a trinket rich culture.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
10. Historically (emissions stay in the atmosphere for centuries) the US and Western Europe are culpable
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 01:30 PM
Feb 2015


Historical emissions

Since carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere can stay there for centuries, historical emissions are just as important – or even more important – than current emissions. The tricky question of historical responsibility is one of the key tensions in the process of negotiating a global climate deal. The following figures from the World Resources Institute show the top 10 nations as measured by their cumulative emissions between 1850 and 2007. The US tops the list by a wide margin – though Chinese emissions have risen significantly since these data were assembled.

1. US: 339,174 MT or 28.8%
2. China: 105,915 MT or 9.0%
3. Russia: 94,679 MT or 8.0%
4. Germany: 81,194.5 MT or 6.9%
5. UK: 68,763 MT or 5.8%
6. Japan: 45,629 MT or 3.87%
7. France: 32,667 MT or 2.77%
8. India: 28,824 MT or 2.44%
9. Canada: 25,716 MT or 2.2%
10. Ukraine: 25,431 MT or 2.2%

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/apr/21/countries-responsible-climate-change

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
11. Global warming? The U.S. got us here.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 01:44 PM
Feb 2015

see:

http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/5664/20140116/seven-nations-contributed-60-percent-global-warming-study.htm

And the typical citizen in China is no more responsible than the typical citizen in the U.S.

At any rate, for the purposes of the article, it's human-casued versus naturally occurring.

 

Vic Tree

(90 posts)
3. But it's still basically an assessment of nuclear war, isn't it?
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 06:12 AM
Feb 2015

How would you calculate the threat of climate change in minutes?

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
13. Climate change has geo-political implications out the wazzoo.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 02:54 PM
Feb 2015

Think famine, fresh water supply, rising seas displacing populations.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Why does the world still have to live under the terrorist threat of half a dozen nuclear nations?
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 10:25 AM
Feb 2015

Nuclear weapons represent mass terrorism on an industrial scale.

ISIS is a blip.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
5. And unfortunately we have a lot of humans who think it is their job to bring about the Apocalypse
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:43 AM
Feb 2015

so that Jesus CAN return and they think this is good. I was raised to believe that bringing about the Apocalypse was God's job not mine. That I could not influence it one way or the other. Today you see them deliberately doing things to make this worse and they are totally wrong. What they are saying is that their god is so weak he cannot do his own job. And since the 1980s this form of Christianity has pushed this idea to its limit and pushed the mainstream religions to the back of the bus.

 

ProudProg2u

(133 posts)
7. People always get upset when...
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:47 AM
Feb 2015

Someone suggests the problem is "TMP" Too many people. "Dirty nest syndrome". Some, Especially Repubs suggest would it start with you...? or your children..? Missing the point completely. Some would say it started with the rapid advancement of technology around 1900.Our consumer glorified world is unsustainable.I cry for my grandchildren.I envision a hellish future (If I believed in hell). The only thing that could possibly save the human race would be a hundred year period on no birth rate. That's 0 birth rate.The repubs love the over population (never saw a consumer they did not love) they can live in gated communities with paid for small armies to protect them...Well there I go again....Imagine the USA hundreds of years ago better yet thousands of years ago, a figgin paradise especially the coastal regions. Now that we have nuke plants dotting the entire world (Fukashima Japan) late in the day now I'm afraid to save the world.

Archae

(46,340 posts)
8. If there ever is a nuclear exchange...
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:49 AM
Feb 2015

It'll be between India and Pakistan.

Even North Korea isn't stupid enough to actually use big booms.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
9. Climate Change and Nuclear Weapons
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:58 AM
Feb 2015

are only two of the multiple ways in which us human beings can take ourselves to doomsday. What about fracking??? Aren't they fracking in Wyoming, not far from the Yellowstone Caldera? And if the Yellowstone Caldera blows, then it's curtains for the whole US, and a volcanic winter, as volcanic ash clouds would engulf the entire atmosphere around the world. And what about MRSA and other multiple antibiotic resistant bacteria - or some mutant superweed, bacteria or virus unleashed from the lab by a genetic engineer who has gone off his rocker? Perhaps I've been watching too many low budget sci fi movies! But the threat that the delicate ecological balance of the earth's botanical or zoological life forms could be gravely upset by genetic engineering run amok is not too far fetched, IMHO.

shebornik

(127 posts)
15. Funny how the majority of the posts so far are claiming their innocence by blaming someone else who
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 02:57 PM
Feb 2015

is doing bad things. It's an old saying now but if you aren't working to solve the problem, then you are part of the problem.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
18. the tools for protest and dissent are slowly being stripped away from us...
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 03:18 PM
Feb 2015

from worker rights to para military police force, eliminating constitutional protections against surveillance and seizure, and fast tracked legislation like TPP that creates corporate tribunals to settle disputes over environmental regulations.

Coupled with a media monopoly wholly owned by a corporate/government partnership, it has never been more difficult to challenge the "establishment".

The result is that any dissent labels you a disruptive traitor and attracts unwanted surveillance which can make its way to your employer, friends and family.

Even so-called Democrats here defend torture, spying and government deference to corporations like GE and Monsanto.

Either one political party or the other has to act without prejudice to the power and wealth of our oligarchy.

So far, neither has shown the courage to act. That's because our two political organizations put their own well-being ahead of everyone else.

As individuals there is only so much we can do. To make lasting progress, however, requires representation in Government.

We don't have that.



whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
16. People are being factory farmed like hogs forced to live in their own waste. As long as the 1%-ers
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 02:59 PM
Feb 2015

wealth increases exponentially year over year, nothing will ever change.

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