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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:55 AM Feb 2015

Why Are Intelligence Agencies So Unintelligent?





Posted on Feb 20, 2015


Robert Scheer, Leslie Cockburn and Juan Cole discuss how intelligence agencies have failed when it comes to the Middle East, terrorism and other areas.

This clip is from Truthdig’s December event, “Monsters of Our Own Creation: America’s Role in the Middle East.”

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Why Are Intelligence Agencies So Unintelligent? (Original Post) marmar Feb 2015 OP
The answer is, they aren't. They've delivered exactly what policy makers really wanted, but can't leveymg Feb 2015 #1
The conundrum is... CJCRANE Feb 2015 #2
K&R. Well said. Overseas Feb 2015 #3
Perverted definition Augiedog Feb 2015 #4
When you're covering up the TRUTH...... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #5
"They have this idea that if you support the most visious, cruel, violent," newthinking Feb 2015 #6

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. The answer is, they aren't. They've delivered exactly what policy makers really wanted, but can't
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 12:08 PM
Feb 2015

admit publicly. For instance, take ISIS - we created it, along with our "moderate regional allies," training and equipping "moderate opposition" elements who have largely gone over to ISIS, taking their US, Saudi, and Qatari-supplied equipment with them. Why did they go over to the most radical elements? ISIS simply had most of the money. Where did they get it? It wasn't oil exports - that never accounted for more than 40% of the budget of the Islamic State. Most of the rest came from -- and continues to flow -- out of the Arab Peninsula and the Sunni Gulf states to keep the war against Shi'ia Iran and its allies going.

The very program that seems to have failed -- only it succeeded exceptionally well in keeping the various factions killing each other for years on end, neutralizing states in the region that might pose otherwise a threat to our other "moderate (Sunni) friends" in the region, which was a core goal of the policy to begin with.

Why can't we stop funding to ISIS? We haven't tried. Stopping it at its source -- the Royal families of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, for instance -- is the one thing we never do. Why is that, you may ask - nobody in a position to do anything about that seems to even ask that question, in public.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
2. The conundrum is...
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:09 PM
Feb 2015

would the People make the right decisions if they knew the truth?

Our superiors don't think so, so they feed us an interesting story that leads us in the direction they want us to go.

Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
4. Perverted definition
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 01:30 PM
Feb 2015

They don't collect or dispense "intelligence" . They collect information that may or may not be accurate and then try to twist it to fit a preconcieved idea of what they want that information to reflect, or say, depending on whom they are trying to influence. Witness the "aluminum tubes" in the Iraq war run up. Sooner or later "intelligence " will send American boots on the ground to battle ISL and maybe even get us into a shooting war with Russia, with all the potential that contains. Never doubt that these alleged "intelligence" agencies can and will create actionable information out of whole cloth when it suits the desires of those who have influence over their actions. Don't even think that the general public interest is one of those who have any influence whatsoever in this world of rabbit holes and mirrors.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
6. "They have this idea that if you support the most visious, cruel, violent,"
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 11:04 PM
Feb 2015

Excellent explanation that every liberal needs to realize. Why these things keep going awry.

"They say that they are going to support the most "moderate" opposition. They know very well that there is no "moderate" opposition; That it's s total fantasy. They know that from the beginning. They have this idea that if you back the most viscous, the cruelist, the meanest, the people who are willing to kill themselves; That's good, you use them; get a lot of them killed; use them and then you can bring your own people in. This never works."

Leslie is RIGHT ON to what has been happening in the color revolutions and why they end in mass suffering.

This is happening in Ukraine as well. The concept of maidan was good and there were good people involved. But they energized, supported, and elevated the most extreme groups involved because those groups were willing to take power no matter the cost.

So those groups were extreme and minorities and completely disinfranchised people in the country leading to a civil war.

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