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joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:23 AM Feb 2015

FCC Chair Tom Wheeler on Open Internet Rules (C-SPAN) (must watch)



What a great dingo Tom Wheeler turned out to be.

"The internet -- the internet is the most powerful and pervasive platform on the planet. It's simply too important to be left without rules and without a referee on the field. Think about it. The internet has replaced the functions of the telephone and the post office. The internet has redefined commerce, and as the outpouring from 4 million americans has demonstrated, the internet is the ultimate vehicle for free expression.

The internet is simply too important to allow broadband providers to be the ones making the rules. (Applause)

So let's address an important issue head-on. This proposal has been described by one opponent as, quote, a secret plan to regulate the internet. Nonsense! This is no more a plan to regulate the internet than the first amendment is a plan to regulate free speech. (Applause)

They both stand for the same concept: openness, expression, and an absence of gate keepers telling people what they can do, where they can go and what they can think. The action that we take today is about the protection of internet openness."
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frazzled

(18,402 posts)
1. This guy was vilified as a corporate shill in a thousand threads here
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:38 AM
Feb 2015

who indubitably was going to scotch net neutrality because he had worked as a lobbyist for the cable and wireless industries. And the president was excoriated for appointing him.

Those people seem largely absent today.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Amen. I do think Obama had to set him straight last year, but he appears onboard now.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:59 AM
Feb 2015

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While I love 'The Rent Is Too High" guy, you just don't appoint someone like him as the head of a Commission. You might make them an important advisor, though, to set the tone.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
3. "oligarchy and their purchased administration"
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:00 AM
Feb 2015

That was the most insane phrase that stuck out to me when looking up past threads. And they're numerous. For every positive thread regarding Wheeler / Obama (most of which were posted in the past week or so) there are probably at least 20 that are demeaning and denigrating.

But don't you worry, once the 300 pages of the ruling are scoured over I'm sure they'll find something to complain about, and it'll get lots of recs. We can only hope Wheeler made it airtight. But there's bound to be something.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
4. The first amendment is specifically a plan not to regulate speech...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:42 AM
Feb 2015

which is why it says "Congress may pass no law".

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
7. I'm sure if it's not there it will be put in there.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:16 AM
Feb 2015

Administrative law is a fickle thing, you can appeal (yes, any citizen) and they are required to take your appeal seriously, so if that exact wording isn't in there, you can do the appeal. Go read the rulemaking procedures on their site.

There obviously has to be a link to the first amendment and the regulation of the internet, and I'm sure that once the 300+ page report comes out someone will find something wrong with the wording somewhere, it's inevitable. There's no way you make a 300+ page rule change and not have mistakes.

http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/rulemaking-process-fcc

And I guarantee you that there will be a huge uproar on some interpretation of the rules but not a damn person will try to go through the proper channels, available to all citizens, to rectify it. At least not here, there will be people in the real world who care about such things doing so.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
8. Apparently the actual rules are only about 8 pages. Most of the 300+ pages apparently are comments
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:18 AM
Feb 2015

submitted to them.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
11. Oh good, then it should be quite airtight.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:28 AM
Feb 2015

I assumed the forbearance that they adopted would have to individually exclude the many hundreds of irrelevant provisions in the Telecommunications Act. They must have a way to word it more cleanly than that.

Also, god, I couldn't find that for the life of me, this 332 page story is everyfuckingwhere.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
12. I saw elsewhere that there were about 30 pages after the 8 pages addressing the 'excluding
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 05:32 AM
Feb 2015

irrelevant provisions' issue you note.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
15. Voice over IP and email.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:15 AM
Feb 2015

If you get a phone call on your modern cell phone it's voice over IP (voice data recorded by a microphone and compressed and sent over the internet network) and email has largely replaced the function of letters.

Even if you have a "land line" it's largely replaced by VoIP or Voice over IP. It's cheaper that way since the data is compressed. If you communicate this day and age it's compressed and sent over the internet protocol (IP).

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
16. The internet has not replaced the functions
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:41 AM
Feb 2015

of the phone or post office.

I can not email a package.

I can not email my payments for electricity, insurance, mortgage services etc.

I can not email a check or have a check emailed to me.

I do not own a cell phone.

If I want to speak to someone, I use my land line phone.

A land line phone is one of two options for internet access in my rural area. (Satellite is the only other option)

Not everyone is on the internet. (My mother, brother, and sister are not on the internet)

I realize people can have direct deposit and pay bills on line.

But not everyone is on the internet.

Thanks for your reply and input.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
17. For you.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 08:03 AM
Feb 2015

For most people email has replaced sending letters. For most people sending packages is done via the internet, and not via the post office, and even then, when a package is sent via the post office, the postage label is able to be printed out and posted in real time to the carrier (so no more visits to the actual post office).

The good thing is that all the inadequacies that you note, that net neutrality should allow the internet and all its services to expand into your area, since ISPs can no longer deny linkups and municipal ISP services.

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