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DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:25 PM Apr 2015

If People Understood This One Thing, We Would Have Revolution Overnight



- It's hard to understand something if you don't know it. And the ones who are part of the 1% holding all that loot, are also the ones who own and control the media. And they ain't talkin'......

The Town Where Everyone Got Free Money -- Motherboard
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If People Understood This One Thing, We Would Have Revolution Overnight (Original Post) DeSwiss Apr 2015 OP
Obama put 35,000 of these up across the US. For a President Ted Cruz to use against the 99%? blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #1
2 + 2 = 4 DeSwiss Apr 2015 #5
See this flying over your area, shoot it down. Madmiddle Apr 2015 #16
What? BS numbers. Adrahil Apr 2015 #23
My video ability is down for a while - truedelphi Apr 2015 #2
Here ya go: DeSwiss Apr 2015 #4
Kick for listening to later. Bed time. But love this idea of eliminating poverty. midnight Apr 2015 #3
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians And Media That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Apr 2015 #6
People shun and fear change, but these two things must be done: DeSwiss Apr 2015 #7
Agreed On The Detachment - Passive And Undetectable Resistance Will Bring The System Down cantbeserious Apr 2015 #8
transition dreamnightwind Apr 2015 #9
''...but it must be flexible and purely democratic so it can change as needed.'' DeSwiss Apr 2015 #12
don't see how either way we lose chapdrum Apr 2015 #17
I can see by your post count..... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #18
+1!!! The sad truth! Dustlawyer Apr 2015 #11
Does he mean "zero point five", or "point zero five"? radiclib Apr 2015 #10
That is confusing. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #13
0.5% is half of 1%. yallerdawg Apr 2015 #15
The problem is Americans are being told the ONLY alternative is communism.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #14
Seems rather populist to me. Trillo Apr 2015 #19
Historically in the US...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #21
K & R, TY, DeSwiss. :) mother earth Apr 2015 #20
! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #22
^^^^^^^^ n/t truedelphi Apr 2015 #24
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
5. 2 + 2 = 4
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:14 AM
Apr 2015

[center]

Winston Smith: Does Big Brother exist?

O'Brien: Of course he exists.

Winston Smith:
Does he exist like you or me?

O'Brien: You do not exist.

~George Orwell, 1984[/center]

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
23. What? BS numbers.
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 06:51 AM
Apr 2015

The U.S. has less than 500 Predators. That sounds like a number pulled from World Nut Daily.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
2. My video ability is down for a while -
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 11:16 PM
Apr 2015

Can you summarize what is being told to us in this video? (Also I keep getting an error message.)

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
4. Here ya go:
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:11 AM
Apr 2015

Published on Oct 7, 2014

This content is viewer supported: http://www.Patreon.com/AcronymTV

Martin Luther King, Jr. was working towards a guaranteed basic income for all when he was killed. Wealth inequality, neoliberalism, the actions of the Federal Reserve, along with the greed and theft of the global elite have made the call for a guaranteed basic income for all even more urgent in 2014 than in the 1960s.

David DeGraw, interviewed here by Dennis Trainor, Jr. of Acronym TV claims the alternative is a violent revolution.

In his new book, The Economics of Revolution, DeGraw writes:

“Having that much wealth consolidated within a mere 1% of the population, while a record number of people toil in poverty and debt, is a crime against humanity. For example, it would only cost 0.5% of the 1%’s wealth to eliminate poverty nationwide. Also consider that at least 40% of the 1%’s accounted for wealth is sitting idle. That’s an astonishing $13 trillion in wealth hoarded away, unused.”

In this clip from the full 30-minute interview, DeGraw points out that the Federal Reserve is already printing money and giving it away to the financial elite.

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cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
6. The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians And Media That Own And Control Us
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:21 AM
Apr 2015

Is it any wonder that those same Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks have all the money.

It is time that all face the fact that Democracy is dead in America.

This can change. However, it will not change without citizen action.

No citizen action, no change.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
7. People shun and fear change, but these two things must be done:
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:43 AM
Apr 2015
First, it is useless to protest against the system that has no answers for us. It is like asking a cancer mass to give your life's blood back to you that it has stolen from its beginning with that first mutated cell. It can't help that it is a cancer. It can only do what a cancer does and no more. So first we must know that the cancer can't change into something benevolent. And that we have to figure out what the change must be for ourselves -- first. Not second, not sometime down the road, but first. It doesn't have to specific but it must be flexible and purely democratic so it can change as needed. A goal, no matter how amorphous, must be visualized and it's clarity will become more sure as we moved toward it.

Second, we must disconnect from the cancer. Everywhere and when possible. The cancer can only steal our life's blood from us if we continue to attach ourselves to it. It is time to detach. Do what you can. As soon as you can. The more you can do for yourself, and the less we depend on the system -- and the more we do for each other -- then sooner it will shrivel and weaken. It won't die at once, it's too big. It won't go without a fight either. But we must determine what the terms of the fight will be, not them. Just like the original American colonists did who used guerrilla tactics hiding behind rocks and trees while the Red Coats stood in nice straight rows for them to shoot at. They want us in the streets so they can beat us and gas us and shock and awe us. That is their strong suit. It's what they do. They want us shouting and raging at them so they can say they're restoring order and it doesn't take a genius to see the news reports to know that this is what they're preparing for. They know how to control people in the streets. But detachment is silence. Detachment is mysterious because it cannot be easily read. Detachment is powerful because instead of controlling us, we control the situation by deciding where to turn our attention (and money) away.

And the best part about detaching from the cancer, is that almost everybody can do it. To some extent. Somewhere. The more the merrier. The government loves uniformity and predictability. The government is huge and unwieldy and can't think or react quickly. Its a big lumbering oaf. Therein lies its weakness. It's Achilles heel. And when I say government, I mean the corptocracy. That's where the real power is. The corporations.

- These are the things we must do. Whether they will be done I can't say, I only know they must be done......




dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
9. transition
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 05:58 AM
Apr 2015

I don't agree with everything in your post (for instance I think street protests are a worthwhile component of efforts to bring about system change), but it's obvious we are working toward the same goals for the most part, so thanks for your post. edit to add: I very much agree with the cancer metaphor you used

The Transition movement is worth a mention in this context, anyone not familiar with them might want to check them out. They're very active here in Sonoma county (northern California), many other places too. I haven't done anything with them but probably will eventually.

http://www.transitionus.org/

The Transition Movement is a vibrant, grassroots movement that seeks to build community resilience in the face of such challenges as peak oil, climate change and the economic crisis. It represents one of the most promising ways of engaging people in strengthening their communities against the effects of these challenges, resulting in a life that is more abundant, fulfilling, equitable and socially connected.

We believe that we can make the transition to a more sustainable world. We hope that you will join us.
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
12. ''...but it must be flexible and purely democratic so it can change as needed.''
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:08 AM
Apr 2015

There must be a democracy of rational ideas. However, it must also be understood (by now) that politics can't solve our problems. The intent of politics in the beginning was to draw people of similar perspectives (as well as financial interests to gain or protect) together but in a competitive society backed by capitalists and adventurers, it is a formula for divide and conquer -- of dupe and con, which is what has been done in our past by the 1%ers, and is also why we now live in their Oligarchy.

The Resource-Based Economy model begins from the premise that all the world's resources are held by everyone in-common (as Peter Joseph explains so well, above). It all belongs to us. Now that we are a global-entity (in that all parts of the planet know of the other's existence) we must act in a global fashion for everyone's good, because competition (we now see) only ruins things for everyone in the end. Of course TPTB won't want to give up the power, but they never had it to begin with. They only reason they have what power they do exercise, is because we the 99% in large part don't know this, and they do. And they take advantage of what we are willing to give up, uncontested.

But as Jacques Fresco has said: ''All social systems are in constant evolution.'' You can't jump from Cro-magnon prehistory to the Medieval, no more than you can jump from Medieval times to modernity. In all of these plateaus there were many stages in-between the process of evolving -- to the point where we are now. In the past 250 years we altered forms of governance from feudal divine-monarchies to elected parliaments and prime ministers, and maybe now to it's logical return to the oligarchy -- or something else?

As Galileo Galilei said after having been forced at his Inquisition in 1633 to recant his thesis that the Earth moves around the sun: ''Eppur si muove'' (And yet it moves). The evolutionary process cares not for biblical edicts any more than it does for political parties. It just evolves (muove) and it gives us a choice. You can either go with Nature, or try and fight Nature. And She remains unbeaten after all this time.

But there are instances where the evolutionary momentum gathers due usually to technological changes which cause stresses and strains within the fabric of society as we are seeing now. These changes which often totally re-order the way life is run. In this instance, while we aren't at the level of The Jetsons, however, one hundred years ago the main mode of transportation for most people was still the horse and buggy.

You'd have to go back thousands of years since the domestication of the horse to find the next link in that chain. Before the horse we walked. In our ancient past it includes things like the invention of the long-bow which changed the need for the more dangerous hand-to-hand combat in battles, and it made killing easier. So did the invention of the gun and canon. And drones and robotic weapons. And of course the ultimate war-making insanity: Nuclear weapons.

This is where we are now. At the crossroads of Sanity and Insanity. Because we now also know that we have the capability to feed and house and clothe and educate everyone on the planet -- simply because we have the technology to do so. We are also at a point where our technology can kill us all -- and it seems more and more imminent a possibility that we'll do so with each passing day. Those are our choices.

- The evolutionary question we answering now is: ''Are we prepared to make the jump to the place where we carry it out what we're capable of, or allow the system to remain on it's present path of destruction and chaos?''

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chapdrum

(930 posts)
17. don't see how either way we lose
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:07 PM
Apr 2015

"They want us in the streets so they can beat us and gas us and shock and awe us. That is their strong suit. It's what they do. They want us shouting and raging at them so they can say they're restoring order and it doesn't take a genius to see the news reports to know that this is what they're preparing for. They know how to control people in the streets."

Agreed. But silently consuming, pretending that everything is OK, aka silence, is viable? Don't see that. There'll likely be a preview of confrontation if water is not found next year (predicted one year supply remains) for California. So far, entreaties to Jerry Brown are being ignored.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
18. I can see by your post count.....
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:55 PM
Apr 2015

...you don't know me very well. (Welcome to DU ) I'm considered by many the RDBLFLWR (Resident Disaffected {But Lovable} Far-Left-Wing Radical). I do not work and play well with political parties. So no, sitting and waiting isn't in my DNA. Never has been.

Without belaboring the point any further than I already have, suffice it to say that I agree primarily with the proposals that are being advanced through the Venus Project where the ideas and planning for the Resource-Based Economy first came to fruition though its founder Jacques Fresco.

And the Zeitgeist Movement spearheaded by Peter Joseph and which holds worldwide conferences and workshops with volunteers (like me and you) who are learning and teaching each other how to build this Resource-Based Economy.

The process evolves......

The Zeitgeist Movement





The Venus Project


 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
13. That is confusing.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:25 AM
Apr 2015
- Here's the article where he wrote about it and his source. The referenced amount is $175 Billion to put us all in the high cotton.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
15. 0.5% is half of 1%.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 10:35 AM
Apr 2015

We would let the 1%'ers keep 99.5% of their accumulated wealth while we eliminated poverty in America at "their" expense.

We could call it --- progressive taxation! Like we used to have.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
14. The problem is Americans are being told the ONLY alternative is communism....
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 09:53 AM
Apr 2015

Which they equate as pure evil dragged out of Satan's ass.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. Historically in the US......
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 03:15 AM
Apr 2015

...most social movements begin several years if not decades before they see their platforms adopted by parties. Public Housing, Social Security, and Aid to Families With Dependent Children can all be included in those social benefits that families, communities and groups fought to have these now accepted programs included as government services. The process continues.

- Maybe one day we'll be saying the same thing about how basic minimum incomes was a populist idea that came to life like so many others before it.......

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
20. K & R, TY, DeSwiss. :)
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 07:20 PM
Apr 2015


http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jan/19/global-wealth-oxfam-inequality-davos-economic-summit-switzerland
New Oxfam report says half of global wealth held by the 1%

https://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam.org/files/bp-working-for-few-political-capture-economic-inequality-200114-en.pdf

Almost half of the world’s wealth is now owned by just one percent of the population.
• The wealth of the one percent richest people in the world amounts to $110 trillion. That’s 65 times the total wealth of the bottom half of the world’s population.
• The bottom half of the world’s population owns the same as the richest 85 people in the world.
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• Seven out of ten people live in countries where economic inequality has increased in the last 30 years.
• The richest one percent increased their share of income in 24 out of 26 countries for which we have data between 1980 and 2012.
• In the US, the wealthiest one percent captured 95 percent of post-financial crisis growth since 2009, while the bottom 90 percent became poorer.
This massive concentration of economic resources in the hands of fewer people presents a significant threat to inclusive political and economic systems. Instead of moving forward together, people are increasingly separated by economic and political power, inevitably heightening social tensions and increasing the risk of societal breakdown.
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