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EarlG

(21,949 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:57 AM Jun 2015

Pic Of The Moment: Still Getting Things Done (Without Congress)



WH close to announce overtime rule, boosting pay.


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Pic Of The Moment: Still Getting Things Done (Without Congress) (Original Post) EarlG Jun 2015 OP
GOP... SoapBox Jun 2015 #1
They are just following their orders (and the money) erronis Jun 2015 #2
Take a number. calimary Jun 2015 #7
Hi, I'm in this line too BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #9
absolutely... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #10
Do we need any more proof that the GOP is anti labor? Initech Jun 2015 #3
K & R Iliyah Jun 2015 #4
KING OBAMA!!!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #5
Hey, we could do a lot worse. As a matter of fact, we HAVE. calimary Jun 2015 #8
K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #6
Wait...this is extending overtime payments? nxylas Jun 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Mr.Bill Jun 2015 #13
Currently if an employee is making above $23,000 in a salary (not hourly) position loooneranger Jun 2015 #14
Why would you lose your job? MADem Jun 2015 #15
Not everywhere in the US is New York loooneranger Jun 2015 #28
I don't live in NY...? Not sure how that matters. MADem Jun 2015 #29
OK, I get it now nxylas Jun 2015 #21
Wooooodamnwhooooo! Take that you rat bastards! lonestarnot Jun 2015 #12
Let me the first.. Thanks Obama! Mahalo EarlG! Cha Jun 2015 #16
Aloha mi amiga! lovemydog Jun 2015 #18
It is downright A-mazing, mon ami! So glad we're among those who see the whole big wide Forest Cha Jun 2015 #19
President Obama: continuing to fight for working men and women. lovemydog Jun 2015 #17
The folks regularly and boringly pillaring Obama for the TPP are eerily silent on the many, many threads proving the true Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #25
Yes I've noticed. lovemydog Jun 2015 #27
Thanks EalG. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #20
K'n'R ucrdem Jun 2015 #22
This is what President O said he would do last year. much as he could without dysfunctional congress Sunlei Jun 2015 #23
I guess I just don't get it. I'm not sure this proposed rule is such a snappyturtle Jun 2015 #24
Sons of Liberty polynomial Jun 2015 #26

erronis

(15,290 posts)
2. They are just following their orders (and the money)
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jun 2015

Don't hate those sniveling greedy little b@st@rds (gotta be careful on DU). They have mistresses (or the equivalent in PC talk), kids at the finest schools that money can buy, fine houses around the world to maintain.

They are just the messengers of the corruption of this system. Now, I'm not sure how to address an email to the actual masters of the universe. I'm sure they're at the end of this list of on-shore/off-shore related, subordinated, family-owned, church-related, non-profit ENTERPRISES.

calimary

(81,304 posts)
8. Hey, we could do a lot worse. As a matter of fact, we HAVE.
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jun 2015

First - with reagan. Then bush 1. And CERTAINLY, bush 2. And you know jeb doesn't feel well-dressed - and won't - unless HE gets his little king's crown, too. He certainly doesn't want to be the pauper in THAT "royal court." I strongly suspect dubya felt the need to one-up his dad. Now, the unfortunate jebbie needs to double down on THAT "double-down," and go BOTH his dry-drunk war criminal brother AND his father one better.

And I DESPISE that term "double down" in the political context. I always wonder where that one came from, as it arose in the run-up to the so-called "surge" with our lovely philandering general petraeus. Remember hearing it all the time - how that fucking squatter in the White House wanted to "double down" in Iraq. Made him sound all macho and gutsy and everything, painting him as some sort of ballsy, hot 007-style high-roller in Vegas or Monte Carlo or some such thing. Always wondered who came up with that one, because all of a sudden that talking point flowered and sprouted all over the airwaves, every anchor, every Pentagon correspondent, every everywhere. I bet it came from frank luntz or the somewhere else in the bowels of the RNC.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
11. Wait...this is extending overtime payments?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 03:27 PM
Jun 2015

I feel I'm missing something here. Wouldn't raising the threshold at which employers are required to pay overtime remove overtime benefits from lower-paid workers? I'm not trying to be argumentative here, I'm genuinely confused.

Response to nxylas (Reply #11)

 

loooneranger

(34 posts)
14. Currently if an employee is making above $23,000 in a salary (not hourly) position
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:23 PM
Jun 2015

you don't pay them overtime. The proposal is to raise it to $52,000. In other words, if you have a salary position making up to $52,000 you would qualify for over time pay. It's easy to cheer "YAYYY MORE MONEY FOR THE WORKERRRRRR!!" However, I work a salary position and this will be very harmful. Not every business is a fortune 500. Just arbitrarily doubling a pay threshold is going to cause many people to lose their job, I may be one of them.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. Why would you lose your job?
Mon Jun 8, 2015, 10:01 PM
Jun 2015

The work still needs to be done, yes? How would firing you solve the problem?

I could see them maybe having to hire another person to do the extra work...maybe part time, if they didn't want to pay you...?

You do realize they aren't saying the individual's pay is doubled..
Just the threshold for qualifying for that overtime pay, as opposed to being a salaried person working eighty hours a week for 23K because they are called "managers." I always thought that was wrong.

 

loooneranger

(34 posts)
28. Not everywhere in the US is New York
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jun 2015

I live in an area where the cost of living is very low. A decent 3br house will rent for around $600. Here, 23,000 is a GOOD job and you can live well on it. Correspondingly, the "big" businesses here are small when compared nationally. The company I work for has a lot of salaried positions to divide managerial work because we operate 24/7/365. Some of these positions are sub-managerial like leads, if the overtime threshold is doubled they will eliminate those positions and divide the workload between the remaining managers and employees. There are many salary positions in many companies that you wouldnt consider "necessary" to the existence of the company. As in, the company wouldnt stop functioning without them. Those jobs exist because of convenience and a cost-vs-benefit relationship. If you have ever worked in a payroll department it would be clear that not all corporations are the size of exxon, and they are not all sitting on big piles of cash that they just keep for themselves.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
29. I don't live in NY...? Not sure how that matters.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 04:53 PM
Jun 2015

If expenses are low where you live, then wages are, too. They can hire a few part time workers and maybe try to do a few things more efficiently.

It's never the end of the world...wages have been stagnating for decades now. It's time for a reset, and that's true if you live in northern Maine or Mississippi, or New York or Newark. This proposal will benefit thousands for every one person that might have a problem, likely owing to a stubborn employer who can't adjust his paradigm.

Right now, "managers" are paid shit wages and routinely stuck working the equivalent of two jobs for one paycheck. That's just wrong.

Remember that Papa John's owner who sqwawked about the ACA because it would raise the cost of his shitty, acidic pizza seven or fifteen cents? Well, the world didn't end for his crummy business, either...and his customers have less chance of catching something nasty because the employees are sick and can't afford to see the doctor.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
21. OK, I get it now
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 03:08 AM
Jun 2015

And every legislation that improves the lives of people on low incomes comes accompanied with threats that it will cost jobs. It never does (no, those four restaurants in Seattle don't count - restaurants close all the time).

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
18. Aloha mi amiga!
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:33 AM
Jun 2015

He's a great President. Great Administration. Amazing what he has accomplished for working people in spite of so many opponents and detractors.

Cha

(297,277 posts)
19. It is downright A-mazing, mon ami! So glad we're among those who see the whole big wide Forest
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 01:41 AM
Jun 2015

and appreciate such universal gifts!

Aloha, lovemydog~

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
17. President Obama: continuing to fight for working men and women.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 12:12 AM
Jun 2015

Always has. Always will.

Thank you EarlG.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. The folks regularly and boringly pillaring Obama for the TPP are eerily silent on the many, many threads proving the true
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:51 AM
Jun 2015

labor bond fides of President Obama, anyone else notice that?

The warrior for the middle class is exactly that.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
27. Yes I've noticed.
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jun 2015

That's not to say I support the TPP.

But those who have spent seven years doing very little here other than trash President Obama, I'm pretty wary of getting with their program when they try and convince on a lot of other things.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. This is what President O said he would do last year. much as he could without dysfunctional congress
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:45 AM
Jun 2015

It is congresses job to raise the federal minimum wage ($12) Then all the States have to at least match $12.

President Obama, wish we could have you in the WH for a 3rd term.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
24. I guess I just don't get it. I'm not sure this proposed rule is such a
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 08:01 AM
Jun 2015

great idea to begin with but what I really don't understand is how it becomes enforcible without being a law.

polynomial

(750 posts)
26. Sons of Liberty
Tue Jun 9, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jun 2015

Saw the video movie out of the local library called the ‘Sons of Liberty’. The interesting moment was a speech by Sam Adams that resonated with the words in objection to being ruled by King George.

Also a narration that explicitly says governments that breach the bounds in the original American Constitution to a direction which is contrary to the electorate will need to be abolished, or replaced.

Good reason to dump the GOP Congress.

Interesting, in that many could argue we are at that point in history. For many should not ignore the elite class that essentially taxed the American citizen in a huge major economic swindle similarly as that of a tyrant or king would declare in a public declaration.

Unfortunately President Obama as a key player still has time to redeem what many consider a critical marketing and political science economic crime in war lies, torture, and housing failure.

George Bush and Cheney lied in a criminal economic artistry paints a grand spectacle in political crime in a new age of terror and identity theft with George Bush personal painting pictures that makes the old world king George very much alike Bush himself, a tyrant.

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