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Jon Stewart on Charleston South Carolina Shooting. Daily Show 6/18/2015 (Original Post) yuiyoshida Jun 2015 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #1
Yes, Jon Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2015 #2
Yes---and didn't what would outwardly appear like a major breakthrough for the U.S., maddiemom Jun 2015 #11
Can you link to the next part, where Malala actually speaks? delrem Jun 2015 #3
Sorry I can't as there is no yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #5
That'll be the only real part. delrem Jun 2015 #6
He is so right about 'if this had been Islamic Terrorists'. How we do nothing about the terror sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #4
The way he wraps his message in humor, it's too vague. delrem Jun 2015 #7
I have to disagree. Throughout the Bush years our Corporate media was cheerleading the lies sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #9
Yes, well, it isn't the Bush years anymore. That's the problem. delrem Jun 2015 #10
In many ways it is as the policies implemented at that time, the anti consititutional sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #22
I understand completely how he feels. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2015 #8
He's right. We are doing the worst damage to ourselves mnhtnbb Jun 2015 #12
One thing that could be done is for corporations to remove their plants from Southern states JDPriestly Jun 2015 #13
Thank you JDPriestly. If I could add, we could began doing something bonniebgood Jun 2015 #14
More care in the hiring of police officers would be good. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #25
Thank you for your very thoughtful and detailed reply. mnhtnbb Jun 2015 #17
North Carolina is way ahead on this and I hope will keep up the momentum. Thanks. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #26
Well said, turbinetree Jun 2015 #20
SO, WE HAVE AN IRONIC SITUATION HERE... drynberg Jun 2015 #15
It seems that it has been that way at least since 2001 liberal N proud Jun 2015 #16
We should get a list of companies that have moved their operations to the South we have JDPriestly Jun 2015 #27
For later tnlurker Jun 2015 #18
Jon Stewart nailed it from top to bottom, as usual. Boomerproud Jun 2015 #19
It would be great if he would run for office, but he will probably want to do something else. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #28
And what does it say about us... iandhr Jun 2015 #21
mine says viacom blocked it oldandhappy Jun 2015 #23
fixed it yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #24

Response to yuiyoshida (Original post)

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
11. Yes---and didn't what would outwardly appear like a major breakthrough for the U.S.,
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:51 AM
Jun 2015

the the election, twice, of a "black" (even better, half white) POTUS, bring out the really "ugly" that still exists? We like to think we've overcome it; that it's dying out with a generation that's grown old, but the age of the latest domestic terrorist proves otherwise. Nonetheless, I would say Dylann(?) is largely outnumbered in his generation, but the holdouts still grow all the crazier. Sadly, really baby steps in solving this in "hearts and minds" of remaining bigots.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
3. Can you link to the next part, where Malala actually speaks?
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:51 AM
Jun 2015

In Canada I have to jump through hoops to get this "liberally humorous outlook on the news".

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. He is so right about 'if this had been Islamic Terrorists'. How we do nothing about the terror
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 02:52 AM
Jun 2015

that 'we do to ourselves' while we flit around the world, invading countries, droning who knows how many others. I agree with him that we will d 'jackshit' about this, after a week or so of coverage on TV, lots of 'experts' will be asked for their opinions etc, and then it will be last week's news. It's happened so often before.

And he's right also about how they won't call it 'terrorism'!

That word is reserved for our WARS!

And yet more Americans have been killed by domestic terrorists since 9/11, including our lack of HC system, 44,000 a year dead from a lack of HC, than by foreign 'terrorists' here in the US.

I wish he wasn't leaving ... he hits the nail on the head so many times its uncanny.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
7. The way he wraps his message in humor, it's too vague.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:05 AM
Jun 2015

What he's talking about, though, has been going on for decades now - without a hiccup.
All that time he's been thriving on it, making jokes.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. I have to disagree. Throughout the Bush years our Corporate media was cheerleading the lies
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 04:03 AM
Jun 2015

being told and people were totally misinformed about what was really going on. Unless they had access to the internet, and many did not, they believed the lies told to them.

But what surprised me was how informed many young people I knew were. They didn't watch news on the media.

For quite a while, Jon Stewart flew under the radar of those who control what we hear and see.

But young people were watching him. They were learning something completely different from what their parents were learning about this country.

I actually credit him with countering the Corporate media, mocking them, Bush, Cheney and all the war criminals during those years whereas the Corp media didn't dare.

And those same young people came out in 2008 in record numbers and if you had asked them who Tim Russert was they would not have known. But Jon Stewart, they knew and they trusted and they were right because he was right. Yes, he did it with humor, but they got it.

So I will always be grateful to him for that. I remember talking to a young guy who I was certain would be a Bush supporter, as were he parents, but he surprised me when he rattled off info on the lies about the war etc. I asked him how he knew so much and he laughed and said 'I watch the Comedy Channel, Jon Stewart'.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
22. In many ways it is as the policies implemented at that time, the anti consititutional
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jun 2015

policies we thought would be reversed are still there, some even 'enhanced'. As he said in this video, why are we at war all over the world when right here more harm is being done to us than from 'foreigners'? He knows the answer, and so do a whole lot more people now, than did when it all started.

Rhiannon12866

(205,664 posts)
8. I understand completely how he feels.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:25 AM
Jun 2015

This is just so heinous, what is there to say? I've been in the studio audience for The Daily Show and Jon Stewart is exactly like he appears on TV, humorous and a really good guy. One lady in the audience asked him what he had in his notes and after the show he just gave them to her...

mnhtnbb

(31,397 posts)
12. He's right. We are doing the worst damage to ourselves
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 05:40 AM
Jun 2015

and refusing to acknowledge it.

I belong to a private group on fb--about a dozen of us--all over the country. We chat
about family, what's going on in our lives, movies, sports...you know. Yesterday
I couldn't get over the fact the person who started the thread (and usually does) said
not one word about Charleston. Neither did several others as they checked in. One
person--on the west coast!--said something. Well, something just snapped in me
about that and I basically said I couldn't do it anymore (talk about mostly nothing)
with them.

This is a GIANT problem in this country--the divide between black and white--and most
people REFUSE to recognize it...and they aren't only in South Carolina with that damn
Confederate flag still flying and displayed all over the state. Leave aside the guns and
how easy it is for anyone with a grudge or moment of passion to do serious harm
because it takes little effort to get hold of any kind of gun.

If we refuse to talk about Charleston...if it disappears in a few days...it will only happen
again and again and again. That's disgusting, depressing, just not acceptable.

So. What are we going to do? What can we do? We could all boycott SC until at least
they take down that damn Confederate flag...but all the racists would only get pissed
and maybe take it out on any black person they encounter. How are we ever going
to change the hearts and minds of racists?

Anybody have any answers? I sure don't.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. One thing that could be done is for corporations to remove their plants from Southern states
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:39 AM
Jun 2015

that fly the confederate flag or put it on their license plates. That would be a private effort, not a restriction imposed by the government. Why should companies indirectly support communities in which racial discrimination is common or in which clearly racist views dominate or in which the people of the community tolerate racial hatred. It's a shame to punish a whole community for what a few people say and do, but there has to be some sort of social and economic cost to allowing confederate flags to fly in a state on government property or to foster social traditions that lead to discrimination and racial hatred. I realize that this first idea is not well formulated, but in it there is a seed for some kind of effort. Perhaps companies that are located in areas in which there is racial discrimination should actively support, financially support, efforts to educate people against racial stereotyping and discrimination.

The most distressing thing to me about this act of terror is that the perpetrator felt so comfortable, so secure, entering a church carrying a gun, with the apparent intent to kill people. He believed, I assume, that in the wake of the Trayvon Martin trial and the killings of unarmed African-Americans by police across the nation, he would be excused and that secretly our society would support or condone or at least tolerate his killing. Juries across the country have sent a message that killing African-Americans is not really a crime. That is not the belief across the country, but the specific juries and prosecutors in these cases have, some of them, intentionally or inadvertently sent that message.

Another thing is that we really need to enforce discrimination laws in the workplace and other places across the country. We should impose much, much larger penalties for violations of discrimination laws. And we should make it easier for people to prove discrimination whether it is age, gender, race or other discrimination. Our laws on discrimination are not nearly punitive enough it appears.

Yet another thing we could do is to require in our school curriculum including in home schooling, private schooling and charter schooling specific lessons on race in the history of the US and on race relations. Every child should be taught that we are truly equal and have equal rights. Every child needs to understand that slavery is a despicable part of our history and that things like torture, killing, cheating, etc. will not be tolerated in our society. Clearly, we are not getting that across in our schools, our media and our socieyt.

Another thing we could do is to form inter-racial groups in our communities for the very specific purpose of overcoming the barriers that divide races. We could have social clubs that are dedicated to members of different races meeting and just having fun together but also working in the community, going to schools and talking about race, etc. We need to attack the underlying attitudes and segregation in our social and housing patterns that make it possible for African-Americans to suffer so much discrimination and hatred without white people who do not share the hatred even being aware that it exists.

The point is we need to realize that race relations are a serious problem in our communities.

My community has a problem with gangs. We have a lot of civic groups that try to work with young people and fight the gangs. We have a march for community peace each year. It takes leadership to organize positive efforts for racial harmony or for dealing with other social problems. At least some of the groups organizing community events should be composed of people of different races working together. This should already be the case, but we need more effort to make sure that all races feel included in community activities.

I think that when Bernie tells us he wants a political revolution, he is talking about the kinds of efforts I am discussing. Groups like the Kiwanis, the Red Cross, other NGOs do wonderful work. We need NGOs that are not just African-Americans trying to educate Americans about the problems of race, stereotypes, discrimination, etc. We need NGOs that include people of different races and that work together on those problems.

I think too often white people are not included in movements that deal with race issues. I feel on DU almost a hostility toward me as a white person when I try to express myself about racial issues. I am told that I can't possibly understand.

True, I can't possibly understand what it is to be African-American in America. But that is not what racism is about at its core. Racism is not about what it is like to be African-American. Racism is about what it is like to be white in America.

African-Americans I sometimes think seem to believe that racism is their problem. I disagree. Racism is a white problem. It is a problem in the white community.

Why do I say this? Because African-Americans don't do anything to cause racism. It's white people's acceptance of racism that is the problem. That is why it is so important for African-Americans to include and welcome white people, white perspectives in their discussions about race. I'm sure that what I say sometimes seems naive and even off the topic to African-Americans on DU. I'm sure that if I were African-American, I would feel very bitter about the lack of real progress with regard to racial discrimination after more than 200 years of our history as a nation and resent what would seem to me to be misinformed or stupid comments about racism by white people when nothing seems to change as a result of the comments.

But African-Americans cannot change racism in America without a lot of cooperation and input from white people.
If we who agree that we have a problem with racism can't even talk about race and listen to each other, then how in the world are we going to deal with extreme racists.

We white people need to say it loud and clear: Racism is a white problem. It is not a problem that African-Americans can resolve on their own by trying to somehow isolate themselves from white people. It is not something that African-Americans can deal with by alienating well meaning, however awkward, white people.

White people have to take the lead in dealing responsibly with the racism in our society.

And, also, while I am at it, we need to examine racism in our courts, yes. But we also need to examine racism in our jails and prisons. We should not allow people in prison to form groups and gangs based on race. I don't know how to deal with this. But this is a serious problem. Gang tattoos, race tattoos in prison should somehow be eradicated. I don't know how you would do that, but people in prison should not have the ability or right to cut their bodies and put on race or gang affiliation tattoos. And all prisons should be required to have groups on race discrimination in which people work through their feelings on this. I have no idea how to do that, but I do know that prisons and jails are places in which some of the White Supremacist propaganda is spread. Prisoners should not have the right to practice discrimination when imprisoned.

Also, California allows ex-felons who have served their time to vote. We need a federal law that requires states to allow ex-felons to vote once they have served their sentences or are otherwise no longer subject to probation or prison or jail time.

bonniebgood

(943 posts)
14. Thank you JDPriestly. If I could add, we could began doing something
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:10 AM
Jun 2015

by weeding the police department of their racist from top down. Why look into their computer after they have mass murdered people? Lots to law enforcement belong to the hate groups.
We could ban 'hate speech'. Banning hate speech would put fox news and hate radio from feeding the racist scum. I believe hate speech is very different from free speech.
To me hate speech is disparaging accusations asserted against a race of people of things you cannot prove to be true and know not to be true. Parent who teach hate speech to their children should be charged with child abuse.
Hate speech is divisive, damages a Nation, produces terrorism and Keeps racism alive and profitable.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
25. More care in the hiring of police officers would be good.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:25 PM
Jun 2015

The hate speech issue is difficult. Someone, a court usually, would have to decide what is and is not hate speech. That would be a very difficult job. As soon as you outlawed certain language, haters would find some euphemism and be expressing hate again. We have to learn as individuals to speak up and say no when someone around us uses hate speech. It is not up to the government to deal with it because the government cannot deal with it. Nor can computers. We have to recognize hate when we are in the presence of it and answer compassionately but firmly to end it. That's hard for us to do too.

Our First Amendment protects speech and rightfully so. The government is bound by the First Amendment and since it just works through humans in courts and police forces, etc., it probably just doesn't have the ability to stop hate speech.

We could, however, put economic pressure and personal pressure on a state like South Carolina to take down the Confederate flag. It is their free speech right to fly it, but with social and economic pressure, they would take it down. We should begin a movement that discourages investment by non-profits in any company with operations in South Carolina until they take down that traitorous flag that encourages hate. We could advertise the names of companies that produce products in states that have open carry laws and try not to buy their products. There are things we could do but they would be difficult to organize and unfair to a lot of companies and people who are located in states like South Carolina but are not racist.

It is very difficult. The most important thing is to get people who are not racist to vote for candidates who want to invest in and promote racial harmony and fair policing.

mnhtnbb

(31,397 posts)
17. Thank you for your very thoughtful and detailed reply.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:30 AM
Jun 2015

There is a lot to think about there.

We, in NC, have seen the NAACP take the lead with the formation of Moral Mondays to protest
all the negative things the Republicans have done since they took power several years ago.
There are a LOT of white folk joining in those protests. Rev. Wm Barber II, who leads the group,
has been gaining national attention and I noticed he was on MSNBC last night talking about
what happened in Charleston.

I have been thinking about joining the NC NAACP to see if there is something I can do--other
than support the Moral Monday protests--right in my local community. Participating in the protests
means going to Raleigh in the summer, which is not something I can easily do.

turbinetree

(24,709 posts)
20. Well said,
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jun 2015

"African-Americans I sometimes think seem to believe that racism is their problem. I disagree. Racism is a white problem. It is a problem in the white community."

You can change the first two words with Native -Americans in this above sentence for Mexicans, any other culture -------------we really are a stupid species.

And as a side note:

I was watching Larry Wilmore the other day and he had on Bill Nye, the science guy.
The subject came out if any of the guests wanted to ask Nye a question what would it be.
There were two other guests and one of the guests asked about the issue of skin color and why he was black and he was white---------------Nye was matter fact about the answer on skin color, and he said its about ultraviolet light, it's what made our skin color different--------------that's what its about---------we are all the same it was the sun's light and its ultraviolet light that changed the species skin color------------and the guest said now I understand, and basically Nye said its time for others to understand.





drynberg

(1,648 posts)
15. SO, WE HAVE AN IRONIC SITUATION HERE...
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:12 AM
Jun 2015

Where a comedian is the only person of note to speak the truth...crazy. I agree with the previous post where corporations remove their presence and announce this is where we draw the line. Of course, the bottom line controls corporations and this is unlikely to happen at even one corporation. Gov. Barber says he has no idea of why this happened while he's under the confederate flag, having driven to work on streets named for confederate generals...I believe that individuals need to boycott all this confederate flying, general worshipping states until real change is visible...starting NOW. These cats understand the bottom line, and I think is the only route to returning to sanity in this crazy area of a rather nuts nation.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
27. We should get a list of companies that have moved their operations to the South we have
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jun 2015

to assume in part because of the lack of strong unions there and that intentionally or inadvertently support the racism.

We should also give a lot of attention to those in the South who are struggling against racism.

Boomerproud

(7,961 posts)
19. Jon Stewart nailed it from top to bottom, as usual.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 08:54 AM
Jun 2015

After he leaves the Daily Show, I really hope he continues to be part of our culture in a meaningful way when he feel like this country is ready to change for the better.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
28. It would be great if he would run for office, but he will probably want to do something else.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:34 PM
Jun 2015

But I sure would like to see him in Congress.

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