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Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
1. Something may be wrong with the vid...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jul 2015

It seems to cut off Tsipras' response--which I really wanted to hear--and cuts back into the middle of Verhofstadt, playing Verhofstadt's speech again.

Is Tsipras' speech cut off? Why is Verhofstadt's speech repeated?

Also, something you can't do anything about: It is startling, after listening to Verhofstadt's strong male voice, giving a vigorous speech, to suddenly be switched to a weak female voice translating Tsipras' response. I am certainly not a sexist--I am a feminist, and a woman--but I think using a weak female voice for Tsipras will influence perceptions of Tsipras in a negative way and I have to wonder if the choice of translators was manipulative on the part of whoever in the EU parliament is in charge of such things. It was quite a dramatic difference.

In any case, we seem to get only a few words from Tsipras, thence to a REPEAT of Verhofstadt, mid-speech. Does Tsipras say more? He certainly had not gotten to most of Verhofstadt's points (only one of them), when he seems to be cut off. He was taking notes during Verhofstadt's speech; I was expecting him to comment point by point. Most importantly, I wanted to hear his response to Verhofstadt's accusation that Greece had not been forthcoming with a detailed reform proposal.

Verhofstadt was strong but I don't think hostile. Tsipras smiled and nodded at some things that Verhofstadt said (including that they are friends). There was no obvious reason for Tsipras not to answer his main points. So, is the video faulty?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
2. I think I included the wrong video. :-( Let me find one with Tsipras full response. Stay tuned
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jul 2015

and thanks for letting me know

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
4. Thank you, stevenleser! I'm going to watch it now.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:20 PM
Jul 2015

I may comment a bit more. Reports from the Corporate Press are saying Greece has agreed to some things (sales tax hike, budget cuts on pensions) that the Greek people just voted against overwhelmingly. But we have no reason to trust the Corporate Press. So I'm waiting for more news. Meanwhile, I'd like to hear what Tsipras has to say.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
5. Thank you again! Tsipras has a powerful sovereignty argument...
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jul 2015

...that he stated in the clipped-off, first part of his speech. He says that, if the Troika is to dictate how debt restructuring is to affect different segments of society in a country, then the Troika might as well do away with democracy and appoint governments.

As leftists, the Syriza government and its Prime Minister Tsipras, of course, want the burden of debt restructuring to fall less on the poor, who are already hurting terribly, and more on the wealthy and wealthy businesses. They were elected to do just that. It is the will of the majority of Greeks. And if he can't do that--if, instead, the Troika dictates how the deal is implemented within Greece (for instance, to favor the wealthy and wealthy businesses)--then what do elections mean?

In specifics, he mentions actions that his government has already taken, for instance, negotiating with Swiss banks to end tax evasion by wealthy Greeks.

On the pension issue, what he says here is that he opposes early retirement (on a government pension), the implication being that he does NOT approve cuts to the pensions. If this is what made it into the current deal--an end to early retirement (not pension cuts)--then that is consistent with what he says here.

I'm not so sure about the sales tax I've only heard about from the Corporate Press. I've always understood sales taxes to be regressive--that is, the burden of raising government revenue falls mostly on the poor, with sales taxes, as opposed, say, to income taxes and capital gains taxes. The trouble is that reports of the new deal are Corporate Press reports, so I can't rely on them as to the actual content of the new deal. Inclusion of an increased sales tax--particularly if it is NOT accompanied by higher taxing of the rich and corporate entities--would seem to contradict what he says here, that this crisis is about democratic people deciding where burdens should fall and electing him and his government so that those burdens are not unjust.

So, we need to learn more about the current deal.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
6. I just want to say that I am not a Tsipras or Syriza fan but I thought hearing both sides here
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 12:20 AM
Jul 2015

as completely as possible was important.

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