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(9,497 posts)Thank you so much for posting this!
Listening to him rattle off the reasons why they crime bill sucked is a work of art. The sadness is that the numbers he quotes have inflated so much over time. He really sees the big picture and what is behind the big picture.
We need him.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Being against that would be bad.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)I can't seem to move the above gif over here, you have to click on the link to watch it in action.
Below is the age breakdown of violent crime
https://www.google.com/search?q=u+s+crime+rate+demographics+images&biw=1600&bih=796&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CB0QsARqFQoTCOTSpcKO6MYCFQQ1iAodkwsJ-w#tbm=isch&q=u+s+crime+rate+age+demographics+images&imgrc=DxDYrYQ0zZ2fFM%3A
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)really locking up black folk in earnest?
Because an awful lot of this involved locking up black folk for the same fucking things white people were doing, white people who got to walk away.
I'm fucking against locking up more black people. That's bad?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Well, not completely. 9 million American families were thrown out of their homes in foreclosure and have never been compensated for the harm. Thousands of our neighbors have died or gone on disability, millions more are now in poverty, and we know their children and children's children will be there as well. We could ameliorate part of that, but we aren't willing to suffer as a country.
. (I'm glad I never had kids. Bunch of hypocrites).
Nearly every bit of that several trillion dollars was stolen by bank$ter/donors.
Bank$ter/donors continue to make hundreds of billions of dollars of profit to share while life for working Americans gets worse, and for about 100 million is at or near dire. Not one of those sorry bastards has been locked up for it. We treat kids who sell a dime bag of marijuana as more of a threat. Especially if they are black.
Crime didn't go down that much.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)Clinton wasn't President in 1991, Bush was.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Clinton's tough on crime stuff came later. And it was very punitive.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)many criminologists think that the causes of crime in the US are reduced in 2015. It's true that the incarceration rate is probably too high and disproportionately minority and immigrants:
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/the-many-causes-of-americas-decline-in-crime/385364/
The Crime Decline
The drop in crime stands as one of the more fascinating and remarkable social phenomena of our time. For decades, crime soared. Cities were viewed as unlivable. Politicians competed to run the most lurid campaign ads and sponsor the most punitive laws. Racially tinged wedge issues marked American politics from Richard Nixons law and order campaign of 1968 to the Willie Horton ads credited with helping George H.W. Bush win the 1988 election.
But over the past 25 years, the tide of crime and violence seemed to simply recede. Crime is about half of what it was at its peak in 1991. Violent crime plummeted 51 percent. Property crime fell 43 percent. Homicides are down 54 percent. In 1985, there were 1,384 murders in New York City. Last year there were 333. The country is an undeniably safer place. Growing urban populations are one positive consequence.
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Where do we go from here? As President Obama said it in his State of the Union last month, Surely we can agree that its a good thing that for the first time in 40 years, crime and incarceration have come down together, and use that as a starting point for Democrats and Republicans, community leaders and law enforcement, to reform Americas criminal justice system so that it protects and serves all of us. And indeed, reforming our criminal justice system is emerging as a bipartisan cause. Everyone from Jeb Bush to Hillary Clinton to the Koch Brothers to George Soros has made similar calls.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I don't know how anyone could choose any other candidate.