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1991 Sanders lashes out about "tough on crime" legislation. (Original Post) madfloridian Jul 2015 OP
This is a must watch artislife Jul 2015 #1
People will remember that the crime rate dropped steeply in the 1990s. shenmue Jul 2015 #4
Think on where this argument pleads for a moment. Just sit back and follow the trail. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #5
That is due in most part to demographics; the aging of the U.S. Population. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #12
People were less black? Because that appears to be the biggest crime. Or do you mean they started jtuck004 Jul 2015 #14
Oh, and they missed this big ol' crime completely... jtuck004 Jul 2015 #15
And I hope Bernie kicks ass. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2015 #16
He's ahead of the curve on every issue. grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #9
Newsflash dsc Jul 2015 #2
I know. I edited. Took someone else's caption without noticing. madfloridian Jul 2015 #3
Bernie repeatedly asks about focusing on the causes of crime... Sancho Jul 2015 #6
The peoples Lion n/t silenttigersong Jul 2015 #7
...! KoKo Jul 2015 #20
See this thead also Doctor_J Jul 2015 #8
Thanks, I am going to pass that one around. nt Live and Learn Jul 2015 #10
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #11
Thank you for posting! SoapBox Jul 2015 #13
Rec! progressoid Jul 2015 #17
Oh how I love him. tblue Jul 2015 #18
Right on the issues as always. kenfrequed Jul 2015 #19
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
1. This is a must watch
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jul 2015

Thank you so much for posting this!

Listening to him rattle off the reasons why they crime bill sucked is a work of art. The sadness is that the numbers he quotes have inflated so much over time. He really sees the big picture and what is behind the big picture.

We need him.

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
4. People will remember that the crime rate dropped steeply in the 1990s.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jul 2015

Being against that would be bad.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
14. People were less black? Because that appears to be the biggest crime. Or do you mean they started
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:22 PM
Jul 2015

really locking up black folk in earnest?

Because an awful lot of this involved locking up black folk for the same fucking things white people were doing, white people who got to walk away.

I'm fucking against locking up more black people. That's bad?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. Oh, and they missed this big ol' crime completely...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:37 PM
Jul 2015


Well, not completely. 9 million American families were thrown out of their homes in foreclosure and have never been compensated for the harm. Thousands of our neighbors have died or gone on disability, millions more are now in poverty, and we know their children and children's children will be there as well. We could ameliorate part of that, but we aren't willing to suffer as a country.

. (I'm glad I never had kids. Bunch of hypocrites).

Nearly every bit of that several trillion dollars was stolen by bank$ter/donors.

Bank$ter/donors continue to make hundreds of billions of dollars of profit to share while life for working Americans gets worse, and for about 100 million is at or near dire. Not one of those sorry bastards has been locked up for it. We treat kids who sell a dime bag of marijuana as more of a threat. Especially if they are black.

Crime didn't go down that much.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
3. I know. I edited. Took someone else's caption without noticing.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jul 2015

Clinton's tough on crime stuff came later. And it was very punitive.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
6. Bernie repeatedly asks about focusing on the causes of crime...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:34 PM
Jul 2015

many criminologists think that the causes of crime in the US are reduced in 2015. It's true that the incarceration rate is probably too high and disproportionately minority and immigrants:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/the-many-causes-of-americas-decline-in-crime/385364/

The Crime Decline

The drop in crime stands as one of the more fascinating and remarkable social phenomena of our time. For decades, crime soared. Cities were viewed as unlivable. Politicians competed to run the most lurid campaign ads and sponsor the most punitive laws. Racially tinged “wedge issues” marked American politics from Richard Nixon’s “law and order” campaign of 1968 to the “Willie Horton” ads credited with helping George H.W. Bush win the 1988 election.

But over the past 25 years, the tide of crime and violence seemed to simply recede. Crime is about half of what it was at its peak in 1991. Violent crime plummeted 51 percent. Property crime fell 43 percent. Homicides are down 54 percent. In 1985, there were 1,384 murders in New York City. Last year there were 333. The country is an undeniably safer place. Growing urban populations are one positive consequence.
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Where do we go from here? As President Obama said it in his State of the Union last month, “Surely we can agree that it’s a good thing that for the first time in 40 years, crime and incarceration have come down together, and use that as a starting point for Democrats and Republicans, community leaders and law enforcement, to reform America’s criminal justice system so that it protects and serves all of us.” And indeed, reforming our criminal justice system is emerging as a bipartisan cause. Everyone from Jeb Bush to Hillary Clinton to the Koch Brothers to George Soros has made similar calls.

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