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jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:39 AM Sep 2015

Brownshirt "...guard for Donald Trump smacked a protester in the face... snatching his banner..."

Mexican immigrant Efraín Galicia, 50, was holding up a sign reading 'Make America Racist Again' - mocking Trump's campaign slogan

See how Herr Trump's brownshirt brigade tries to beat up protesters - like the Nazis did as they took over Germany.



Trump der Fuhrer? Grand Wizard of the U.S.?

One might want to take some pepper spray, protect yourself against these assholes like one would any rabid animal.
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Brownshirt "...guard for Donald Trump smacked a protester in the face... snatching his banner..." (Original Post) jtuck004 Sep 2015 OP
Wonder if they can be charged with assault? still_one Sep 2015 #1
They grabbed private property by force like any bully. I would certainly try. jtuck004 Sep 2015 #2
He is a former NYC police detective KellyW Sep 2015 #3
What does being an ex-cop have to do with an assault and the rule of law? No one is immune. Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #11
First he encites hatred and now he follows it up with jwirr Sep 2015 #4
You "hear he reads Hitler's speeches" ? hedda_foil Sep 2015 #6
I do not know how to link but his wife Ivana stated jwirr Sep 2015 #7
here greenman3610 Sep 2015 #8
Thanks, both of you. hedda_foil Sep 2015 #18
I read Hitler's speeches too. I want to know what Evilhair is going to say. jtuck004 Sep 2015 #15
Germans were ripe for the picking and Hitler understood that. cynzke Sep 2015 #31
The Germans were no different from the people we see in the mirror every day. jtuck004 Sep 2015 #32
It's called a primary source. truth2power Sep 2015 #27
The Republicans have gone fascist and Democrats have assumed the role of yesterday's Republicans. jalan48 Sep 2015 #5
I thought Clinton was careening more to the left, drawn by Sanders? Interesting opinion.... Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #10
I think most people would agree the US political spectrum has shifted to the right. Money talks. jalan48 Sep 2015 #12
Yeah. We really need a Frank Steunenberg or someone along that line. The 'pub types want to bring jtuck004 Sep 2015 #13
Good point. FDR was driven in part by a fear of a Communist type revolution here in the US. jalan48 Sep 2015 #17
You bought that bs? <G> Business spent $80 million a year to sell Americans on that in the years jtuck004 Sep 2015 #19
Why the reforms then? jalan48 Sep 2015 #20
What you call reforms some call scraps. Or sop. But that's a good question. You jtuck004 Sep 2015 #21
I think it was fear on the part of the ruling class. jalan48 Sep 2015 #22
They didn't do it at all. It was working Americans, doing things like driving wagons jtuck004 Sep 2015 #23
Hush now! That video has been deemed offensive and counter-productive by the media...CNN Fred Sanders Sep 2015 #9
This was the same asshole who escorted Ramos out of press conference Gothmog Sep 2015 #14
Precisely what happened in Germany in the 30's zebonaut Sep 2015 #16
And here, with those people that insisted on wearing sheets. jtuck004 Sep 2015 #24
Everyone sing along!!! Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #25
"So if you meet with these historians jtuck004 Sep 2015 #28
I hate to say anyone is as bad as Hitler tblue Sep 2015 #26
I think you are understating it a bit. He had Hitler to learn from. And he had one of jtuck004 Sep 2015 #30
trump reminds me of the Martin Sheen president in the movie "The Dead Zone" mucifer Sep 2015 #29
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
2. They grabbed private property by force like any bully. I would certainly try.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:52 AM
Sep 2015

It might even get to court. Certainly would get some air play.

KellyW

(598 posts)
3. He is a former NYC police detective
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:56 AM
Sep 2015

And this happened in NYC. Even if the trump name was not involved, what are the odds of him being prosecuted ?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
11. What does being an ex-cop have to do with an assault and the rule of law? No one is immune.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:40 PM
Sep 2015

Cops aren't monolithic.

The real story and scandal is that this story is not a story and scandal!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
4. First he encites hatred and now he follows it up with
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 11:58 AM
Sep 2015

violence. I hear he reads Hitler's speeches.

This man is dangerous. And I do not mean the idiot doing his bidding. Trump is dangerous.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
6. You "hear he reads Hitler's speeches" ?
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:14 PM
Sep 2015

Is that

Or not

If it's for real, a link would be appreciated.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. I do not know how to link but his wife Ivana stated
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:35 PM
Sep 2015

that he keeps a book of Hitler's speeches on his bedside table and when he tried to deny it the person who gave the book to him confirmed it.

It was here on DU about 4-5 days ago.

One thing I never joke about is Hitler.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
15. I read Hitler's speeches too. I want to know what Evilhair is going to say.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:08 PM
Sep 2015

I hope most every one has, but I know they haven't.

Is too bad, because that's how some of his tactics and goals keep being revived.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
31. Germans were ripe for the picking and Hitler understood that.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 09:03 AM
Sep 2015

He was a master at whipping up patriotism when Germans were looking for a political hero. Trump appeals to the right with his "Make America Great Again" which for many on the right means like in returning to the good old 1950's when whites dominated a segregated America and prayer was allowed in schools.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
32. The Germans were no different from the people we see in the mirror every day.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 11:42 AM
Sep 2015

Which is what I think you just said.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
27. It's called a primary source.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 02:30 PM
Sep 2015
IF Trump reads Hitler's speeches it's probably to get talking points.

However, I'm troubled by the idea that there is anything, no matter how odious, that someone shouldn't read. That idea, whether one admits it or not, is pervasive here on DU.

There are certain individuals who are ridiculed, out of hand, without any attempt to look at what they write and/or say and then e-val-u-ate the content for themselves. Speeches and writings by Vladimir Putin come to mind.

jalan48

(13,871 posts)
5. The Republicans have gone fascist and Democrats have assumed the role of yesterday's Republicans.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:01 PM
Sep 2015

As the political spectrum continues to careen to the right Bernie Sanders seems to be one of the few remaining real Democrats of the FDR mold.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
13. Yeah. We really need a Frank Steunenberg or someone along that line. The 'pub types want to bring
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:01 PM
Sep 2015

us back to yesteryear, but people are fighting them with weaker and more "modern" tactics and strategies. Also known as losing, as your paragraphs attests to.

FDR wasn't the progressive. He was after them, they were largely killed off by 1925 or so. The "reforms" he put through were weak compared to the control that Mother Jones, Bill Haywood, others in American labor fought and died for. FDR and his ilk put through reforms that the business owners and business unions could live with. They would have been seen as caving by the folks in 1910.

Those people, the progressives, IWW and industrial unions, were torn about ownership, but they insisted that control of work had to be with the laborers.

Business, according to a "back of the envelope" calc by a government commission member in 1913 or '17 noted that "business" was spending $88 million a year on spies, thugs, buying government officials and encouraging business unions to fight working Americans and "Progressive" ideas. Put that into an inflation calculator to tell you what they are spending today, and more. lol.

The bending over, or shift in political spectrum, had already started by FDR's time. That said, today many people don't seem to be that enthused about casting aside their remotes and getting out of their lazyboys to even get those levels of participation back. Bernie is awakening that in some, so perhaps that will be enough to start something new.

Plus, I think President Sanders would touch an emotion in people they have let atrophy. That could be interesting. Whoever goes up against Evilhair better be able to do that.

Evilhair (I don't use his banking name, it just gives his ego a free boost. He doesn't have enough money to get that much respect from me), isn't a deep thinker, he has just trained himself to motivate people people to do work on the plantation that is in his mind. He really doesn't give a flying rat's ass what happens from that. As long as he runs the plantation and everyone knows it. People beating up folks, cheating, lying - he can excuse it all if they just kiss his ring.

He gathers a good number by, with no apology at all, telling people that it's ok to hate, to be xenophobic, to bully others. Like a sociopathic Dr. Phil with tv show.

I think what bothers me most is that more people won't be all that bothered by that video.











jalan48

(13,871 posts)
17. Good point. FDR was driven in part by a fear of a Communist type revolution here in the US.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:16 PM
Sep 2015

Even the ruling class understood they could lose it all if reforms weren't adopted. There seems to be little check on the rich and powerful these days. Political propaganda to keep the citizens thinking there are big differences between the two parties has worked up till now but given Sanders popularity the curtain seems to be coming down on that charade.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
19. You bought that bs? <G> Business spent $80 million a year to sell Americans on that in the years
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:25 PM
Sep 2015

prior, and it appears to have worked.

The problem was American workers wanting control of their labor, instead of having to live in servitude like most workers do today.

Business painted them with that socialist/communist bs to beat them, and it, largely, worked. Business paid government and business unions to help them in their dirty work and use whatever force or words it took to put workers back under the thumb they work under today.

There was no communist threat. The threat was from people like Evilhair and his brownshirts today.

Just an aside - there are letters in print from Communists who came here to get the IWW on their side, with reports back that they could not work with them, and the workers had no interest in their "revolution". So we actually have it in writing that these things are not true.

But I would bet really good money that you weren't shown them in school, because that's not what they want you to believe. Without the teachers they couldn't be nearly as effective, btw.

Just know - you were trained to think that, by people who had an agenda.

You and I are the check on the rich and powerful, yet a whole bunch don't realize they are just thinking what the Master tells them to think.

So the Master keeps winning...

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
21. What you call reforms some call scraps. Or sop. But that's a good question. You
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:33 PM
Sep 2015

could look for that answer a long time, I expect.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
23. They didn't do it at all. It was working Americans, doing things like driving wagons
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:48 PM
Sep 2015

full of hungry children past the white house, or dying in the streets and factories that did it. The ruling class did everything they could to stop the real reforms, and we got what was left.

Many of these working people came from those or worse conditions. They wanted some relief, and got a little, but they quit fighting for the control. And today labor has never been weaker. Business used that Red Scare stuff pretty effectively, and their tactics and goals (like Adolf Hitler's) are in writing for people to read. People back then could be convinced to vote against their best interests just like they do today. So business convinced people who had immigrated here, escaped here, that there was some big threat, that they would want to bring with them those "communist" ideas. But many had escaped from these things, and had no wish to do that. We did have a socialist, who was jailed because he opposed the war, but hardly what we have been trained to think of as a "socialist" today. (He got 3% of the popular vote while in prison, btw).

Be careful. Some of your opponents were and are in control of your education and training, and used that position to teach you things that help others control you. A good portion of it by simply omitting things which may have influenced you in another direction. May not have even known they were doing it.





Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Hush now! That video has been deemed offensive and counter-productive by the media...CNN
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 12:38 PM
Sep 2015

phase a report about the "disturbance" but the video, and the actual truth of the story,got lost somewhere between the copy room and Jeff Zucker's office.

 

zebonaut

(3,688 posts)
16. Precisely what happened in Germany in the 30's
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:16 PM
Sep 2015

This should be leading the evening news. Its happened before. History tends to repeat itself




Donald Trump: Bringing people together

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
24. And here, with those people that insisted on wearing sheets.
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 01:50 PM
Sep 2015

We stopped Germany, but all we did here is make people take off the sheets.

Now they are more dangerous.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
28. "So if you meet with these historians
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 03:09 PM
Sep 2015

I'll tell you what to say
Tell them that the Nazis
Never really went away

They're out there burning houses down
And they're peddling racist lies
And we'll never rest again
Until every Nazi dies"


Read more: Chumbawamba - The Day The Nazi Died Lyrics | MetroLyrics
http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-day-the-nazi-died-lyrics-chumbawamba.html



They have died, and died, and died. But their ideas live on.


Thank you for that.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
26. I hate to say anyone is as bad as Hitler
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 02:16 PM
Sep 2015

but Trump seems bad as Hitler.

Does anyone believe this megalomaniac will not become a tyrant if elected president, God forbid, to even those he's chatting up for votes right now? Stand in his way, question his authority, assert your own opinion and he will send in the goons, using the full weight of law enforcement if not the military. He's not running for POTUS, he wants s to be King. This is scary as hell.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
30. I think you are understating it a bit. He had Hitler to learn from. And he had one of
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 07:25 PM
Sep 2015

our best educations in money. Not people.

I think far more deadly than Hitler ever thought about being.



mucifer

(23,554 posts)
29. trump reminds me of the Martin Sheen president in the movie "The Dead Zone"
Sat Sep 5, 2015, 06:23 PM
Sep 2015

He had a thug like that, too.



Way scary!
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