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greenman3610

(3,947 posts) Wed Oct 14, 2015, 05:52 AM Oct 2015

Climate Change is a Moral Question Above All

Pope Francis’ visit to the US catalyzed the growing sense across the country, and across the globe, that climate change is, above all, a moral issue.

More and more scientists have realized that speaking to this moral dimension is far more persuasive than speaking the language of science and fact, as compelling as those are. Most people simply respond better to an issue that is framed in moral terms.

The emerging story of what Exxon knew, and when they knew it, shows that the differences have never really been about the science questions – even the major oil companies knew the basic science truths 4 decades ago. They simply made a moral decision that the lives of the next ten thousand generations of human beings were not as important as their own profits, and we are now witnessing the early impacts of that decision.

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Climate Change is a Moral Question Above All (Original Post) greenman3610 Oct 2015 OP

We need to start a moon shot level effort at desalinization on the West Coast right now. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #1

Desalinization is like hydropower in that cprise Oct 2015 #2

I understand and appreciate your points. Enthusiast Oct 2015 #3

Enthusiast

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1. We need to start a moon shot level effort at desalinization on the West Coast right now.

Reply to greenman3610 (Original post)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:01 AM

Oct 2015

No matter what happens the California water crisis will not end anytime soon. There are a number of fledgling power generating concepts using tidal forces. They need to go forward and expand these efforts.

At the very moment in history when we should have addressed these issues criminal right wing Neo-Con Bush forces, with the help of their supreme court cronies, stole a presidential election. If that was all they did it was bad enough.

cprise

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2. Desalinization is like hydropower in that

Reply to Enthusiast (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 07:56 AM

Oct 2015

you can't build an arbitrary amount of it without harming ecosystems in other ways. High salt concentrations where the offal is dumped will kill wildlife and have other deleterious effects.

The first things we need to do are to stop using California as our veggie basket, and to stop wasting so much food.

If we stopped subsidizing livestock like beef (actually... just beef) a lot of water and land would be freed up for more efficient crops.

Enthusiast

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3. I understand and appreciate your points.

Reply to cprise (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 14, 2015, 08:06 AM

Oct 2015

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