DLC. DNC, 3rd Way sell-outs to Wall St., MIC & Big Pharma need to be exposed
and called out on their deceptive ways.

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I use to listen to ring of fire, and Thom, but they
turn to bashing Hillary to help Bernie, whom I
believe is not qualified to lead the Dem party.

Both men bash Dem's who have run for office, while
they sit on the sideline bash people like Hillary and Obama.
Thom has been a Nader supporter, and it was Nader
that helped put Bush in the White House.

I have lost a lot of respect for both, they whine about
politicians that carry their water for them.

However, I would say that Pap and Thom are well educated,
I just think their talk has become just that cheap talk.

Go Hillary!! A real Dem and a Dem that's out their fighting

Provide proof. Hartmann has been praising Hillary on his show daily.

The GOP cheating and stealing is what put Bush in the White House.

Hillary is not a "real Dem", she's a moderate Republican, just like the kind Obama described himself as.

There are not many realer than Hillary when it comes to Dem's,
she has walked the precincts, raised money, put herself
out to campaign: and for almost 30 years work to keep
the Dem party going, in the good times and in the bad times,
she has never quit. (She knows the GOP fight is a life
time fight). Sanders just decided at 73, he would run for
President: sorry to little to late!

Sanders people are always making things up about Dem's:
when they have never walked the walk, they have stayed on the
sidelines bashing the party, or joining other parties and other movements.
The party is never good enough for the Sanders supporters, but
its all the people have right now against the GOP.

Sanders supporters are whiny socialist not Dem party supporters, they
just join to put their left wing ideologue candidate forward: who not many
Americans want.

You don't know what you are talking about if you think that Thom is not a stand up guy.

Hillary is a moderate Republican. She is out to protect Wall Street. She said herself in the debate that she represented Wall Street when she was a senator.

Too little too late? Sanders has been fighting for the people his entire adult life. WTF are you talking about?

Your post is a bunch of gibberish that makes no sense.

What you say about Thom is just not true.

Thom says Hillary is smart and would make a fine president but he prefers Bernie. That is exactly what he says.

Now apologize to Thom or put up the proof of your claims.

If not in this video then please provide the proof.

p.s. Hillary has lied several times. Remember the sniper fire tale?

Otherwise you got nothing.

He says Hillary is smart and would make a fine president but he prefers and supports Bernie.

Prove otherwise.

Show evidence that he denigrates Clinton.

So tell me what are they talking about? Who's on the show with him?

prove it...

you are asking ME to prove a negative.

And I am asking you to prove he denigrates Clinton because that's how this all started.

where does he say what you said?

He is talking about IRA's and Retirement accounts..

Who is the guest?

You said you are listening to him, you should be able to answer me right away.

they are in commercials now...he WAS talking about IRA's and Retirement accounts..

There satisfied?

Because if you really do listen to him every day, you would know that he does not attack Hillary and he says over and over again that while he supports Bernie, he says that either of them would make a fine president.

He is honest about her policy stances. He is a very honest man.

I'll take the real dem.

is not qualified to lead the Democratic Party?
Just saying Bernie is not qualified is not a valid reason.

(your quote:"Bernie, whom I
believe is not qualified to lead the Dem party&quot

Can you list 5 reasons why Hillary Clinton is qualified to lead the Democratic Party
(being married to Bill is not one of them)
And while you are at list 5 reasons you believe Hillary is a progressive.
No one supporting Hillary has been able to do this so far.

There is a post down farther that talks about Bernie Sanders age
..Well what about Hillary..She is no spring chicken right?
How old is she ..Wont she be 70 when she is sworn in if she wins?

I want to read 5 reasons why you think she is a progressive and you cannot do that.
As for Bernie Sanders he has been fighting for the middle class/working class his entire political life,and you cannot say that about Hillary Clinton. Hillary is owned by the corporate United States.
As for what I said about not being married to Bill cant be a qualification for her,that was a joke but hey you cannot list 5 reasons
but still Bill is behind the scenes throwing the negatives out there.

I'm sure Hillary has many reasons for wanting to be President but fighting for the middle class is not one of them.
If Hillary truly was for middle class America she would not be taking millions of dollars from "Citizens United Groups"
Have you ever heard Hillary talk about issues that were direct assaults on the Too Big to fail banks, the Pharmaceutical Companies or the Hedge Fund Bankers..Hell no you haven't because that is her bread and butter campaign funding.
She said in the debate that Pharmaceuticals was one of her enemies but the very next day she received $160,000 from a
Pharmaceutical and sure as hell didn't return it.
What was comical about a week ago a rep from Emily's said Bernie was a sexist,and I don't know if that was before they gave Hillary $187,000 or after.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=All&id=N00000019&type=f

But regardless of what you say or what I say neither one of us will be swayed to the other candidate but I have voted in 11 Pm & GE and
and I'm careful to choose the Democrat that best represents my interests and this cycle its Bernie Sanders.

1. Progressive in taxing the rich
2. Progressive on Health Care
3. Progressive on Minority Children
4. Progressive on Economy
5. Progressive in putting the people first (over corporations)
6. Progressive on woman's education and rights


You need to check out her books at the lib, Hillary's forward thinking
could fill books. (Start with Hillary's own books)

Economy?
Taxing the rich?
Check this out:
Do you honestly think these corporations plus many more will let her get by with taxing the rich?
The Healthcare industry, the Pharmaceuticals own her, so please call her a moderate,a conservative but don't call her a progressive because it is not in the corporate scripts that she reads.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=All&id=N00000019&type=f

She was liberal before it was cool to call libs progressives,
as far as the future will have to see. ( The more votes
she get the more leverage she will have against the GOP).
However, she is smart not to put her cards on the table
she may be able to dupe the GOP, their party
leaders are not very smart, they are just mean and greedy.

"Progress" according Lincoln takes place in relationship to the heart,
or we could mistake change for progress like going old.

Hillary (her heart is in right place) is very progressive because her politics are for caring sharing politics
that is what it means to be a Dem.

she is only 67

I also like they way they took a jab at those who are the third-way's useful idiots

It's an actual going concern, and they're not the least bit bashful of their corporatist "not quite as bad as the rupublicans" mission statement.

Of course thom and Mike are Sanders supporters: He's an economic populist that's calling out the corporatist wing of the democratic party.

You've never heard of Jonathan Cowen? He's the head honcho there.

Now he's flipping out because the economic populists are snapping away at his soapbox.

Their recent riposte/manifesto:

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/ThirdWayReport11052015.pdf

What say you?

Deep down, I'm guessing you agree with the center/right economic agenda in exchange for some non-economic issue. Either that, or you're just trying to disrupt the discourse. You've made on comments of substance, merely ad-hominem attacks in the matter of some "team player".

Why would I?

Because you don't want to?

I don't support a Thirdway candidate....

Does THIS look Thirdway to you:



She also has 45 members of the Progressive Democratic Caucus supporting her....

those graphs mean nothing? Go find our exchange about it - it was before the last 3-4 time outs you've had - where I and others explain in great detail what that site's information means nothing. Part of it was because they use the candidate's campaign rhetoric to factor in where they are on the spectrum. That right there tells you it means nothing. Actions are what count, not empty rhetoric.

You have earned the trademarked for that.

HRC has a 91% chance of winning....Sanders has 8%

http://predictwise.com/

As for my graphs....Nate Silver uses them. You KNOW him right? The political Statistician???


Is THIS graph "nothing" too?

Especially because you don't even state what it represents.

because they are all in the same congress. Not kidding. I try to not respond, but when someone flat out lies about the most stand up guy out there, Thom Hartmann, I must defend.

Are you one of those "Clinton shills" that made the Greatest Threads page yesterday?
The reply you just made comes awful close to getting an alert. In fact there have alerts on Sanders supporters that have been a lot less negative