A Democrat does not win a debate against a democrat by defending her unethical behavior, especially not with red herrings. See post 5.

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So do I.

As for polls showing she "won" the debate, that shows somebody else's opinion, not mine. Was that the poll of "Democratic insiders"? Does that sound like a random, unbiased sample to you? No, it sounds like political hacks who are inclined to support Mrs. Clinton because they expect her to win (supporting the winner, regardless of what she stands for, is just a good career move) and who are shocked that any sensible person would even think there is something unethical about taking money from Wall Street to run a political campaign. I doubt very many "insiders" are naive enough to think that a politician who takes that much money from a special interest isn't bought.

Or it could be a broader poll, in which case it says a lot about how misinformed some people are about Mrs. Clinton's political career. She takes money from Wall Street and does them favors. And the money keeps coming in.

I can't blame so many people for being so misinformed. American society is corrupt from the top down. When journalists, who are supposed to be the public's watchdogs over political corruption, become corrupt themselves and turn a blind eye to politician's corruption because the CEO wants the communications industry deregulated and needs to buy congress critters to make that happen.

For the same reason, I really shouldn't be as angry at Mrs. Clinton as I am for her unethical behavior when the system in place, even before Citizens United but all the more so since, makes it almost necessary for her to behave as she does. I say almost only because Senator Sanders is trying to show it isn't necessary. It may be entirely too quixotic to succeed, but he's doing it and that makes him my candidate and I will vote for him even if no one else does and continue to now and then send him some money I really can't afford.

when he campaigned on the graves of victims of 911. We see that Clinton loyalists have not as much sense.

Unfortunately few people heard the whole exchange, nor are they likely to.

Once the echo chamber takes over all anyone will hear will be the "He said, She said" excuses and obfuscation about alleged foreign policy wisdom. The same policy keeping us safe so the banks can continue harvesting capital at obscene rates from ordinary people.

BTW if Hillary's donors are 60% women (not funds just donors) and we take that to represent who will vote for her, the campaign is in serious trouble. At last count Bernie has quite a few more donors altogether. Yet another bit of reality obscured by the same remarks and echos.

"If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen", goes the quip by another Democrat.

I find it personally offensive that a democratic candidate is so brazenly disingenuous. We are supposed to be the grown-up alternative to the clowns. The more Hillary resorts to this kind of remark the more she resembles another popular dissembler: Mitt Romney.