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tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)and actually go to the doctor instead of paying premiums to insurance companies and not going to the doctor because you can't afford the copay and your deductible is half your annual income. Who'd want that?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Health insurance is not health care...and in fact takes away from health care because insurance companies provide no health care for the profit they take out of the system.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The only sick people in them are paper pushers who don't have any sick leave.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)drynberg
(1,648 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)had a public option. It is not possible that she would not have known this. The costly mistake was made and she wants to continue it so the rich get richer.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)proceeded to immediately forget about that campaign promise post election as I recall.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)I can actually remember the very moment when it was announced that Dems were deliberately going to don blinders as far as Single Payer was concerned. I was LIVID that the CONspiracy of LIARS had just come right out and said that they were going to NOT consider that option from then on out. WTF??? What about what their constituents want???
I wonder if the health insurance execs have to deal with the daily flow of "Send Money" pleas that the DNC directs to my mailbox? Any more I either shit-can those pleas or I go out of my way to return them at MY expense, to Ms. Wasserman-Shitz with the suggestion she go get the cash from the sort of citizens the SCOTUS has given birth to.
Yallow
(1,926 posts)Without someone in the "ownership class" making money every step of the way?
Jeeeesh.
I mean, this is a capitalist country.
Profit, profit, profit.
Why our health care costs twice as much as other countries, is because of profiting off of sick people.
That and the fact we eat garbage, and 75% of our nation is overweight, and resistant to any food that is green.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)My dad owned his business when I was born. He was a portrait photographer with a studio on Pacific Avenue about three blocks south of Harding Way in Stockton, California. He took the pictures and developed the film in the dark room. Mom helped him with accounting and sales. That's the capitalism I knew as a child.
I played in the back with a boy a little younger than I whose dad owned the ice cream parlor two doors down.
It was capitalism, but my dad didn't call himself a capitalist or even a businessman. He was a photographer. The other little boy's dad made ice cream and sandwiches. They were their own most important and most productive employees. The people who worked for them were there so that the owners could what they did best, that is make the products that people came off the street to buy. For my dad, there was always a connection between making money and work, because he did most of the work himself.
When I think of my childhood, I see Pacific Avenue and rows of shops that sold gifts, toys, clothes, ice cream and sandwiches, Italian dinners and my dad's studio. I knew the men and women who owned the shops because if I walked into any them, that person might be the one who asked me what I wanted. It was capitalism with a human face.
Perhaps it was too human a face to think of as capitalism.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)he could get a loan through a local bank or maybe for a house through the VA or the FHA programs, both government programs.
Today, Main Street is filled with bars and maybe a coffee shop or two. Walmart is located either out of the range of the city's tax base on the outskirts of town or somewhere away from Main Street.
It's not your father's capitalism. It's the oligarchs' capitalism. Quite a different matter from what we grew up with. It's very troubling to me. I go to the grocery store, and I see the manager of the produce department being lectured on where to place products by some member of the remote management who thinks she/he is an expert. It's really troubling. In my childhood, that produce department manager would have had his own small grocery store at the corner of the block. He may actually be making more money in his current job. I don't know. But the way I saw the store management talking to him was demeaning even to me as a customer. That produce department manager knows what his customers want. That interloper from corporate HQ has no clue. That's my opinion.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)IN the 2008 campaign Hillary
was very much in favor of
Universal Healthcare.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251840740
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Pharmaceuticals and Heslthcare Industry now. She's also
Owned by Wall St,Big Banks,the Corporate Mafia and now receiving more contributions from these puppet string holders than any other Republicans.
Launching these attacks against Bernie certainly shows signs that she fears this is turning into 2008 all over again.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)having to do with the New Democrat Coalition, in the OP about Shame.....
By DUer DhhD:
New Democrats Abandoned the Public Option of ACA; Health Care Companies Could Abandon the People
http://www.democraticunderground.com/107829796#post3