Here's a good tip from a FB poster

"Regarding phone calls to the DNC, call their cash donation line instead. That number is 877-336-7200. Calling this number forces live staff to deal with you, and keeps them from getting a donation call at the same time. You can use the call to tell them why you are refusing to donate. Let them know that you won't donate another dime until they get rid of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as DNC chair. They will take notes. They guy who took my message even seemed embarrassed and seemed to agree. Call now, operators standing by."

Thank you, Ferd Berfel.

but I got a machine on Sat at 11:40. I left a message, though, and said not one thin dime to them until DWS goes.


Cher

I'm not sure it is the DNC that is being destroyed at this point.

the firewall fell the first time.

The DNC is withholding information that Bernie's hundreds of thousands if not millions of volunteers gathered for Bernie's campaign.

The DNC isn't punishing the vendor nor taking responsibility for its own incompetence.

Bernie's campaign acted swiftly and fired one person, the DNC cutting off Sander's campaign from its own information makes it even more difficult for Bernie's campaign to investigate as to who if anyone else is involved and discipline them as well, something the DNC claims to want.

And shared login info with other staffers. A crime has been committed.

is more valuable than Hillary's.

The Sanders campaign accessed her campaign's information. Don't obfuscate the real issue here. Deflection does not change the fact that Sander's campaign staffers including the National Data Director committed a crime.

by their actions make investigating as to who else may have been involved more difficult.

it would have been far better to just fire the staffers and get on with business.

to investigate and discipline anyone else who may have been involved, something the DNC claims to want, what's so difficult to understand about that?

I hope so.

by blocking them access to their data.

they have this thing called server logs....

responsible whether it's in a court of law or not.

this is not tiddly winks...

not the Sanders staffers...you want to brush them under the carpet and focus on the software...

Too bad server logs exist....

Trainwreck

the vendor in question, their overall incompetence and the one or few people on Bernie's campaign that foolishly abused the downed firewall.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251912430

You don't do what Team Sanders did...then try to claim it was for "research purposes" .....and this fish really does rot from the head...the National Data Director!

They have committed probable felonies...

He has already fired one person but the DNC by their heavy handed actions have made it more difficult for Bernie's people to investigate other possible wrong doers.

they fucked up...BIG Time!

and not told the press the way the Sanders campaign did.

that will hold up in court I am sure!

now, especially since her people at the DNC have their slimy hands on it and won't return it.

Hillary just sunk to even further lows than I thought imaginable even for her. She and her buddy Debbie did nothing but really fire up the progressive base and it's a move she'll regret.

Clinton's staff was ignorant of any problems. Or maybe they were WILLINGLY ignorant of the ability to access stuff. It wasn't like the DNC hadn't a clue to problems with the vendor. Of course, unlike very FEW debates - on Saturday nights - there's no reason to suspect DNC manipulation of that which they might turn into an advantage! Yeah..... DNC.... striving for the utmost in de mock racy.

what the Clinton campaign did or did not access. You have no way of knowing what the Sanders campaign did or did not do. You do not know the facts, and you do not know who committed or did not commit a crime.

And, you know for a fact that "staffers ran queries"?

Sorry, not buying this at all.

slashdot broke it down, how one guy found the hole back in Oct. then alerted the vendor, who said they fixed and didn't. The Sanders crew tested the firewall, from different computers. And testing involves seeing if something can be downloaded. So, and I will type slowly, the vendor was notified moths ago, they did not do a thing and the Sanders team tested to prove they had not, and all the while told the vendor and the DNC what was going on.

From Slashdot (and don't even bother to try parsing with these guys)

NGP-VAN, the company that stores this data, which is run by an old Clinton hand who worked for them in 1992, the company paid $34,000 by Ready For Hillary, was repeatedly dropping their firewall between the two major Dem campaigns, Clinton and Sanders.

A guy who’s now fired from the Sanders team observed this. They complained once and were given assurances by the company that it was a mistake and wouldn’t happen again. Then it happened again. The guy decided to gauge how deeply the Clinton campaign was able to read into the Sanders campaign, by experimenting to see how much of the Clinton data he could get. That’s a bad call but by information security standards it’s not unthinkable: it’d be called a white hat intrusion, seeing how much of the firewall was down by probing the other side and assuming your own data was revealed exactly the same way. It does matter, but you still have to fire the guy.

One thing we can be sure of is, anything open to ‘stealing’ on the Clinton side was just as open on the Sanders side, literally. It’s the same system and the same firewall, and if the firewall keeps mysteriously going down for no good reason you have to wonder what’s up and more relevantly what’s being made available to those on the other side of the firewall, which might explain why the firewall’s going down like that.

The Sanders people did NOT throw a fit the first time this happened. But this time, the Sanders guy got caught crossing the nonexistent firewall. We have no information at all on whether anybody from the Clinton side was doing the same thing. During that time there WAS NO firewall and the guy wasn’t hacking, he was browsing, as anybody on either side could have done during those windows.

before it is changed/covered up. For all we know it is sitting out on one of Hillary's servers by now.

Techie guys telling it like it is.

discredited them and lost revenue for them by now anyhow. No one should think they can play these kind of tricks on Sanders or his millions of supporters. Every time they try it backfires hugely.

My favorite so far is David Brock's dirty trick which not only backfired spectacularly, but earned over $3 million dollars for Bernie in 24 hours!

Oh boy! This is a bit of a mess.

The connection between the data firm and the Clinton campaign is muchly disturbing.

that is not the mess to you?

Because we have to take the words of news media on this.

Suffice it to say, that I have high confidence that those responsible will be fired. And that Bernie is trying to run a squeaky clean campaign.

Plus nobody seems to be at all concerned of whether any of the other campaigns did not take advantage of the open firewalls.

That is why an audit is the only appropriate response.

That and the immediate restoration of the Sanders campaign access to their own data.

Team Sanders admitted guilt

But there is also a problem at DNC that allowed this to happen when they were alerted to the issue by the Sanders campaign in October. Plus the guy who is the head of that data company was HRC's chief tech in 2008, and was mentor to the guy who set up her private e-mail server when she was SOS.

Now I have no problem with those things on their own, but when added to this, those facts become a bit worrisome.

No matter what side you are on, this stinks to high heaven. It is a clusterfuck.

For the good of the Democratic Party, I suggest that we set the intraparty warfare aside and settle this quickly and openly.

It would be a good start to give the Sanders campaign access to their data.

they still have their jobs...

I cannot say the same for other Democratic campaigns or the DNC! I feel pretty confident on the outcome of the TRO hearing unless we get a partisian judge.

I am not convinced that the other campaigns didn't exploit the breach.

It was the software vendor's responsibility to fix it when first reported, and to monitor and maintain a secure system.

But all that said, I don't see how this rises to any level of seriousness outside the political world. It's political campaigns fighting over data to get out the vote, that is all. It's not any kind of privacy intrusion to the average person. No one is stealing anyone's identity or credit card number. In other words, it's just a tempest in the teapot of the Democratic Party.

face palm I'll never trust the DNC ever again after this fiasco. They have nothing to do with the Democratic Party.

is the old Richard Nixon team!

Then the Watergate plumbers?

would be like the DNC office at the Watergate being warned that it was leaving its office door unlocked, and wide open; then after failing to close and lock it, charging the one who told them about it with B&E. That's the difference.

If you leave your door open....even if you tell me its open
...and I go in and steal your mothers pearls.....I still go to jail not you...

But the broader issue now is who is looking at the Sanders Campaign file. If they have the power to block it, they have the power to peruse, copy, etc.

I hate this is happening to Bernie right now, but the publicity, the fact that it had happened before and appropriately reported, should wipe that smirk off DWS face. Hillary seems to excel in IT management, i.e. building basement servers, wiping them clean, instructing staff to do so, FBI investigation now looking at Pagliani, her IT Director, now this...her DNC and their "chosen" data firm.

Maybe popcorn time before the Primary.

contact that campaign in any shape or form.

So now is HRC saying that I am her Supporter; using me to add to her number? This makes me mad as hell.

for which I never, never signed up. Interesting....

is most certainly called for.

..."but we want our data back"! I'll bet the judge will love that argument.

The DNC owns the data. All the campaigns can do is use the system if they follow the rules that they agree to follow. It's a contract.

If you break in a house and rob it, you can't blame the alarm company if the alarm didn't go off!!! You're still responsible for stealing. If you violate the contract - then the agreement is broken and you are out. Either way, the Sander's campaign was wrong.

There is clear evidence that the Sanders campaign broke the rules of the contract, so they are locked out until an investigation is complete.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Maybe the the DNC will peel off their part and let them buy their own data - but until the 24 downloaded files are proven to be secure - if I was the DNC I'd do exactly the same thing. Shut them down. Until the 4 individuals are fired - shut them down. Until all computers and emails are investigated by independent people - shut them down.
They have the stuff they stole, and they have lied about having it - Shut them down.

be interesting to see what comes from that.

What you wish for...

gets an independent audit of the DNC/vendor, there may be hell to pay on Hillary's side as well.

but cannot for the life of you say...that those server logs showing that they downloaded 24 different items means jack shit!

before.

Sorry to see us on opposite sides, but I have seen the dark side of party politics all too often.

This will hurt Hillary and DWS more than it does Bernie.

Bloomberg and ABC are reporting the names/ID's of 4 staffers who downloaded 24 sets of Hillary's data. They KNEW it was wrong to do so (because they had reported already months before that there was a problem with the software on a different system).

Then they lied about "saving the data" - because there's a record of them saving reports to folders on Sander's staff computers.
The vendor notified the DNC, not the Sander's campaign. The contract with the DNC clearly intends to keep campaign data separate.

Maybe Bernie himself didn't have anything to do with it, but at least 4 staff should be fired (maybe more). All the computers and files and emails should be returned - along with assurance it was not copied or printed or distributed.
Otherwise, the DNC will enforce the contract and lock the Sanders campaign out.

We all have to remember that for decades (like the last election), Hillary and other Democrats have contributed to building those databases. Bernie is new and has not invested like other Democrats in building the system. The DNC owes the least to the Sanders campaign, so fighting with them likely won't help.

I think if it were me, I'd have turned over all the files and computers to the DNC immediately, fired the guilty staff, and asked the vendor to confirm all the downloads were accounted for...and then Sanders would not be locked out.

the vendor knows what searches were run, what files were downloaded, the ID's of whoever logged on, and Ip addresses. There's a good chance that secure accounts can record down to the keystrokes. We actually have the ability to use the camera to see who is using the computer (and warn people so they won't be in their PJ's on the laptop or something).

I've seen a court case where a judge held someone in contempt for failing to produce computer records. There's little question that the DNC would have reacted differently if the computers had been produced - 4 or more people fired - and if there was assurance that the data was not "out".

The only reason the DNC shut them down was because they lied and didn't produce the goods - at least that's what I'm guessing.

and nowhere does it say "The names/IDs of 4 staffers who downloaded 24 sets of data and saved them to personal folders have been published."

Seems to me like a pretty transparent attempt to start a vicious rumor.

casts a desperate shadow of deceit over that entire dissertation. If NGP VAN was actually GOOD at what they're supposed to be doing, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

If four staffers did create "at least 24 lists" during the "40-minute breach" (what happened to half an hour?), then NGP VAN should be able to "see" what the Sanders staffers "saved" to their personal folders, and purge those folders of any ill-acquired data. The Sanders campaign could then fire any of the individuals responsible for this alleged "breach."

And, if four "staffers" are responsible for this "breach," it's disingenuous to say "the Sanders campaign" claimed that "it had not saved Clinton data." A more honest statement would be "Four staffers claimed..."

Well, enough of this. For me, this entire imbroglio reeks of partisan trickery, coming--as it does--after Senator Sanders acquired a number of key commitments and over two million individual campaign donations. Support of his campaign is growing and strengthening, and this tempest in a teacup will not change the allegiance of his MILLIONS of supporters.

Go, Bernie!!!

be fired for their inability to resist temptation. Kind of reminds me of those little bottles of water in hotels that you can open but have to pay exorbitant amounts of money for.

I sure don't know all the details, but certainly a fair amount of the responsibility for this mess-up lies at the hands of NGP VAN, as you said. (Also weren't there data breach alert protocols in place?)

I sure as hell wish that Bernie's people could have resisted the urge to dabble in the date.

I can imagine that quite a few Bernie supporters are pissed off at DWS (as am I) for her decisions regarding closing off debates, putting them in poor time periods, etc. That sort of anger (even if well-placed) may have been a motivator to "pierce the veil" a bit, but I don't know.

I sure as heck hopes it works out well for Bernie, and I am going to donate 50 Bucks to him right now via Paypal!

Go, Bernie!!!!

Go, Bernie!!!

No let the Bastids grind you down!

Now, it has come to light that the Sanders staffer may have downloaded and exported the Clinton campaign's data, and it may have been more than one Sanders staffer that accessed the information

“The breach was in no way our fault. I saw it and attempted to investigate and attempted to do it in a transparent manner,” he said. “To my knowledge, we did not take anything out of the system it was in and did not gain anything out of it. We saw a security breach and we tried to assess it and understand it.”

When asked why he did not simply raise his hand immediately and poked around in the system at all, he emphasized he was intentionally being "transparent."

"You see something, you investigate it first. ... I knew full well that I was creating a record that the administrators could see," Uretsky said.

Wasserman Schultz said she has confidence in the integrity of the DNC’s data system after the episode.

Stu Trevelyan, CEO of NGP VAN, said in the company’s 19-year history, they have not had a problem with security and privacy of their customers’ data as it is their "top priority."

"We immediately began an audit to determine if any users had intentionally or unintentionally gained access to data they normally would not have access to. And determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access,"

An audit showed Sanders’ campaign repeatedly accessed sensitive voter information belonging to the Clinton campaign

The database logs created by NGP VAN show that four accounts associated with the Sanders team took advantage of the Wednesday morning breach.

Despite audit logs, Weaver said at the news conference that NGP VAN has told the campaign that no Clinton data was printed or downloaded.

Obviously, NGP VAN didn't fabricate anything...and there are obviously witnesses and computers that can be audited (likely in the Sanders offices). Server logs are there for the purpose of security - and likely all kinds of software access recording who had access, what they downloaded, and what IP address the files were sent to as a result.

Sanders FIRED their manager - evidence of GUILT. Why not just turn over the computers and fire anyone who downloaded Hillary's stuff?

NGP VAN has been very consistent on this, and they have nothing to do with the Sanders staff (who was hired, etc.).

Sanders director doesn't need to go hunting around downloading stuff. He needs to report to the DNC what happened. He did NOT. The DNC got the report of the downloads from NGP VAN (according to DWS).

Downloading 25 files to 4 staffers' computers with directed searches is not "figuring out what's going on". Even it it was, Sander's campaign should immediately turn over those computers to the DNC, and produce the staff for interviews.

And you believe her. I've got a bridge for sale.

Or socialist or whatever you want. The DNC elected DWS and Obama approved.

I am a democrat. Always have been. I'm also a progressive. The DNC no longer represents progressive democrats. It's not my party affiliation I need to change, it's the DNC that needs to change. And I will work toward that goal any way I can.

There is strength in a big inclusive democratic party. More so than splitting into different parties. I know you guys want to throw a lot of us out of the party. Sorry, it ain't gonna happen.

Power to the people. Feel the Bern!

...that she's tired of hearing about that damned data, that she would like to talk about the issues that face Americans.

only hours into it!

No such "in kind" response, ALTHOUGH, it would make her look more credible, if she took that initiative, like he did with the e-mails.

Who am I kidding? This must have been covered in the DNC "conference call" today.

While the Sanders campaign is downplaying the revelation, a person familiar with the breach told The Associated Press that campaign staffers saved information and searched Clinton’s information 25 times.

"Some People" ....
You know-the Fact that Dean Won for Democrats and was replaced with DWS years ago--and the Dems have lost and lost Big under her leadership and that DWS is Still in leadership today-getting away with the whole Fkd up Debate sched etc...tells Me the Dem Party has already been destroyed. Whatever it is that still calls itself "The Dem Party" ain't democratic At all.
The losses were no accident. The loss of the WH in 2016 and even more seats in congress isn't either.
If I were hired to Promote/Win/Expand something and performed my job duties in any similar fashion resulting in devastating losses? Unless that was the goal in the first place...I would have been fired after the first round of losses. Thousands and Thousands of people have petitioned for her removal to No satisfaction-for a long, long time. Why? What other conclusion can one draw other than..she is fulfilling her duties to unravel/dissolve the Dem Party.

This is utter bs, why is the DNC being so heavy handed? All they will do is anger Sanders supporters, why do something so twisted?

times we are living in. Sunshine is the best cleanser. The DNC is in great need of some it seems.

Corrupt to the core.

this makes me so darn mad. I called them, signed a petition and sent them an email. If this is how they want to play it, I am done being a card carrying Democrat. I told them so. If this stands, I will become an Independent asap after the primary.

anything but promoting Hillary Rodham Clinton. I don't care about Hillary, or whose turn it is, or who the powers that be have decided should be our nominee. Screw them.

Thanks for the thead, Uncle Joe !

tells me that this is going to backfire. The DNC and the Clinton campaign will regret bringing it up. Big mistake.
Also, the interview with the Bernie spokesperson put to rest any negative intentions of Bernie's campaign. Period!

I just saw a brief, totally un-nuanced MSNBC report. Things you need a bit of background to understand and the M$M is not generally a winning combination.

Not sure what your point is. Please explain.

and that the M$M is not too good at providing background and nuance.