cause there's two people I don't ever want to see near the WH other than for a selfie - TRUMP or SANDERS

Yes, he has.

Turning against any one who does not support your pony.

who argue against single pay for profit or political gain. Healthcare is a human right not a commodity.

This is such a brutally clear-cut case of conflict of interest.

It aint about getting elected at any cost. It's about getting those elected that will support the working class...the backbone and true "base" of the democratic party.

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I have always held Howard Dean in high regard, liking him and defending him to others.


Now to see him change his position from favoring single-payer health for almost two decades, to being against it--with the revelation that he is now working for a firm that caters to the insurance industry is quite revealing.


I am bothered by the prospect that he sold his position in the Democrat standings, and his values, for money.


I am watching this campaign as a neutral, which gives me optics many others do not have. As an unbiased Democrat, who only has the goal of seeing a Dem in the White House, I have the luxury of calling it as I see it. So many here are polarized to the point that their own hubris gets in the ways of critical thought. That's the disturbing thing too. How Dems align themselves and become beholden to a particular candidate and cloud their thought so the pony they favor wins the race.


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If it is, yes, I'll turn against anyone who won't fight for it. The same as my pony called wall street greed, and my pony called the big military industrial complex and our neocon foreign policies and my pony called green energy and savning the planet. I've got a whole stable of ponies...and I want to keep them all happy and healthy, so I try to avoid bringing people around who don't care if they live or die.

I think the people who fight against my ponies are vile.

If there was a Dean supporter, it was me in 2004.

General Practitioners are important, but they don't, for instance, see what happens when the patient cannot be handled by general practice.

You had better believe the pharmaceutical industry is balls to the walls set on letting no patent expire in pulmonary medicine. Ever know what it's like to choose between breathing and paying your grocery bills, sitting in your home, rather than be able to choose activities of daily living? The game being played now is not a humane one where lobbying for big pharma is concerned.

Howard Dean has fallen. A moment of silence in my head... I'm moving on afterwards. He's making his bed and he can deal with the number of people who are now going to turn away from him FOR GOOD.

I was disgusted by the way the media brought him down when he was running for president.
I admired him and his position on health care reform.
This is very disappointing to me.

It is sad to see Governor Dean being thrown under the bus because he does not support Sanders

If you're angry at Dean because he isn't supporting your candidate then you're right.
But, most of those people will filter back

I lost trust in him when he went on that twitter war in favor of Michelle Rhee and charter schools.
For me, his lobbying for pharmaceuticals (if he definitely is... I'm always kind of leery about these stories and how they're framed) then I see little reason to back him

Governor Dean is under the bus because he no longer supports single payer--which he did for decades--and because he has become a lobbyist for Big Pharma.

To paraphrase the American author/journalist/activist Upton Sinclair, “It is difficult to get a man to support something, when his salary depends upon him not supporting it.”

But it's no surprise you would trust someone who endorses your candidate. They are two birds of a feather.

remember this night.

they need to alert the public that he's a lobbyist for Big Pharma and the insurance industry and he's getting paid a whole lot of $$$ to get you to vote against your best interests...

and without any serious consideration any possibility that Dean might have valid and defensible arguments for his position. He portrays commercial pharmaceutical companies as one-dimensional villains without any mention of what the alternatives might be for creating new life-saving drugs if the major pharmaceutical companies didn't exist. Cousin's conclusions are, for the most part, simply asserted as if they are self-evident.

I don't find it compelling or persuasive at all.

The transition to single payer could result in chaos and it could have serious negative consequences. That's a real possibility and I believe one that deserves serious discussion.

I'm not ready to label Dean an unprincipled cretin just yet.

Insurance companies would just bill the federal gov just like they've done for Medicare. Here again, a lot of things need to fall in place, like income caps for CEOs on public companies. Some things will automatically adjust once the baby boomer hump is over. (and I'm one) Does feel like I'm part of the surplus population that must go...