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Hillarys supporters want voters to believe that we have to nominate Mrs. Clinton or risk losing the election. This argument is built on lies, as the only available data shows that Bernie Sanders does better in hypothetical matchups against Republicans than Hillary.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)That was a great episode. Every once in a while when someone sneezes, I'll reply with "You're soooo good lookin'"
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Republicans aren't really scared of her because she's too much like them and the old addage / saying that people would rather vote for the real thing adds to this point. Like okay it's serious time and Hillary aint it. once she became against improving health care that is NOT a Democratic habit. Dems by and large are yes we can and we'll keep trying no matter how many decades it takes.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Some of the rest of it is more subjective, I admit, but when you add it all up, it is formidable.
Polls show Bernie beats Republicans. Hillary doesn't, or beats them by less.
There are the trust and integrity polls (Bernie whomps Hillary on this matter). Vague, subjective, yeah, but then there's...
Momentum--of both Bernie himself and his message: Bernie coming out of fricking nowhere, with no money and no organization, and nearly beating her in Iowa and crushing her in New Hampshire, and now pulling to a tie in Nevada (in polls--NV hasn't caucused yet). (The first two are hard data.)
Bernies' enormous popularity with young voters including young women, and enormous popularity with Independents (the biggest voting block in the U.S.) (and this is hard data--actual voting).
Money: Bernie's phenomenal ability to raise big money in very small donations, with NO superpacs, no Wall Street, no Big Pharma, no billionaires--while Clinton is both overspending on her momentum-losing streak and is having to go back again and again to her dirty money. This, too, is not vague. It's hard data. But it has a subjective component: voter disgust with her and Wall Street, and our amazement and delight at how Bernie is funding his campaign.
History: It is time.
William Butler Yeats said that history does not repeat itself, exactly; it is more like a gyre--a twirly thing like a spiral galaxy--on which certain themes repeat over and over--themes like democracy, or self-rule, or fascism (corporate looting of the populace combined with military repression of the populace). Each time these themes repeat, people have a chance to do better for themselves and improve humanity. History is cyclical but nothing is inevitable nor quite the same as it was before.
Democracy and fairness have come back round. This is our chance to improve them. I think a whole lot of people feel this. It is intuitive, subjective, a feeling--but probably quantifiable (if that's your criterion for real, and if anybody wanted to trace history as a gyre of changing circumstances and repeating themes). Not to be dismissed. It is part of how revolutions happen: people FEELING "enough is enough."
A Rosa Parks kind of feeling. A Thomas Paine kind of feeling. Are we going to catch this 'gravitational wave' as it passes through our galaxy? It's been detected. Now what? What can we do with it?
Seems like more and more people are answering that with: Elect Bernie!