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Related: About this forumDebbie Wasserman Schultz Has Rigged The System For Hillary Clinton
The Democratic Partys superdelegate system is broken, and its been clear that the system was rigged from the start against Bernie Sanders. Americas Lawyer, Mike Papantonio, and Farron Cousins discuss this.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)are laughable.
dchill
(38,518 posts)Where's the equivalency?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)that comment..Really ...How would you explain how Debbie Wassermann Schultz is getting by with smuggling $$ funding from the DNC to the Clinton campaign? You must be direct form the Clinton campaign with your script in hand from David Brock because when you come up with this kind of Bull Shit.It appears like something he would write for you to say or a quote from Karl Roves book.
Why did Hillary Clinton even bother organizing a Campaign when all she would ave had to do was to move right in to the DNC Headquarters like she see did in Nevada.
Hillary Clinton is the first candidate ever to be owned by Wall St. Goldman Sachs and the DNC all at the same time.
Hillary .if God forbids,wins the nomination she will be the first candidate to ever have purchased the nomination with funds from the DNC and GolmanSachs together.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to get them?
INdemo
(6,994 posts)she will lose the general election...
So, if one wishes to elect a Repukkkian, support the 1%er...
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)By the way, when is he gonna release that internal investigation?
-none
(1,884 posts)It was farmed out. It quietly died when it came out that Hillary's crew could and did access Bernie's campaign data. So talk to Hillary about this.
MADem
(135,425 posts)that charge?
I'd love to see it.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)but then obama is a dem
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)what do you think was their thinking?
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)as was Bill Clinton, as is HRC. They run the party. It's small wonder Obama had no problem. The Clinton/Obama primary was a fight of the Third Way establishment democrats. Had Clinton won it would have made no difference to the party establishment.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 25, 2016, 11:19 AM - Edit history (1)
in 2008 like they are now.The DNC did not have an incompetent Republican as the Chairman in 2008
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)riversedge
(70,284 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)and, she is in a rigged district herself. Manipulation is the game this season.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)sounds like sour grapes from the bernie bros
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Response to saturnsring (Reply #9)
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frazzled
(18,402 posts)Superdelegates were introduced in 1982. There are 4,763 pledged delegates, and then there are around 712 super delegates (15% of the total delegates). These include every elected Democratic office-holder--yes, Bernie Sanders is a superdelegate. There are all 44 Democratic senators and 188 Democratic Congresspersons; as well as 18 governors; then there are the DNC members--state party chairs and vice chairs from all 50 states and national committeemen and women. And then there are former high-ranking officials (Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, etc.). There's a list of all the superdelegates at the link:
The first is through holding political office. All Democratic governors, senators, and House representatives automatically get a spot as a superdelegate. This is why Bernie Sanders will have a spot as a Vermont superdelegate. Superdelegate Bernie Sanders will presumably pledge to support presidential candidate Bernie Sanders just like President Barack Obama pledged his own superdelegate support to himself in 2008.
The second is through being a DNC member. There are 20 ways in which you can be a member of the DNC, most of which involve being a high-ranking member of a DNC leadership group. (Details in Article 3, Section 2 of the DNC charter.)
The third is being an especially distinguished member of the party. This is a small group, only about 20 people or so. If you're a current or former president, vice president, Senate leader, House leader, or DNC chair, then you're a superdelegate. This is why Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Joe Biden, Al Gore, Walter Mondale, Howard Dean, and George Mitchell are superdelegates.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/2/22/11070364/list-all-superdelegates
Primaries are the way in which the political parties choose their candidates, culminating in a convention for each party in which delegates vote. They are not general elections (too many, I think, don't understand this concept). I think that people dissatisfied with the nominating process should work to form their own parties, with their own primaries and conventions. In fact, they do. There's the Libertarian Party, the Green Party, etc., who decide with far less general participation who their candidates will be. There used to be (and for all I know still is) a Democratic Socialist Party. Primaries have become increasingly open over the past few decades, allowing people from outside the party to participate in deciding the party's nominee. It seems only right to me that a party, in return for this openness, should be able to have some representation in their own nominating process. How would the Green Party like it if outsiders flooded its process and started voting to install a candidate that did not adhere to their general platform, or who had never been aligned with their party? I can tell you, what would ensue would be far less democratic than what occurs in the Democratic Party system.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)but some delegates are more equal than others.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)Democrats really followed through, didn't we?
DWS/DNC not even supporting what they considered progressive candidates...and worse, in 2014 we saw Dems running away from, and not even mentioning, Obama...how'd that work out?
Third Way:...Democrat...Republican...almost Republican>Third Way
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)Spread the word!
Uncle Joe
(58,405 posts)Thanks for the thread, GoLeftTV.
Renew Deal
(81,869 posts)And the DNC has reduced the number of super-delegates since 2008.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)When you can make people laugh while exposing a brutal truth, you are a gift to the world. Thanks for making the point & making me smile. (I love that movie!!)
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)fears Sanders. From the Corporate/Wall Street Dems to the Corporate Media, they are throwing the kitchen sink, the toilet, and the cesspool at that man. Even Historical figures has fallen to the point that they have to play dirty. Sanders in White House = no payday.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
d_b
(7,463 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)We are what the Republican party used to be. A bird can't fly with two right wings.