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(2,778 posts)sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)About 30 counter protest idiots attacked a half dozen KKK idiots. Thirteen people are in custody. Three of the counter protesters and two of the KKK people are in the hospital, one of the counter protesters is in serious condition with a stab wound. Peaceful protest is constitutionally guaranteed in this country unless its purpose is incitement to violence. The mere presence of people you don't like does not constitute incitement, nor does their presence justify violence against them. If race wasn't the issue, the violent people in those two groups would be indistinguishable from one another.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Fascists should always be confronted anytime anyplace, and by what means necessary to rain on their parade.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)Picking and chosing who has free speech, doesn't work that way in America or anywhere else that upholds the principle of free speech.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)not be challenged.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)That is a gutter response to free speech not democracy in action. It's the ultimate fascist tactic so you may want to rethink your support of such ways.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)seems to being doing a fine job.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)"challenged" as you call it in their opinion. It's just one of those many methods you approve of, right. I find advocating violence to silence what you consider offensive speech or speakers despicable.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)I'm to old now to get in the thick of it but, still can hold my own one on one. I've always been a big supporter of Antifa.
I still think Antifa is the gate keepers of a civilized society. One can look at egypt, libia, and see what happens when one does not strike with force on behalf of a peaceful coup. Hard liners, fascists, and any other group that does not want to except change will fight anything.
My first contact with the Klan was over 30 yrs. ago in a bar in the northeast, I was locked up that night for assault and battery on a police officer, and two counts on two other ppl. (Klan members).. assault..
I've dealt with skin heads, nazi rascist m/f's quit abit
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sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)and it applies to everyone. And if the people you seem to believe are above the law were real anti-fascists rather than sucker punching street thugs they'd be raining on the parade of the real fascists in this country. You can find them on Wall Street. Go confront them, instead of a bunch of ignorant KKK white trash whose claws were pulled 50 years ago and have no power in this country.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)challenged. Also their claws are just fine and growing all time.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)There's a big difference between challenging what you disagree with and physically assaulting the people who profess it for no better reason than they profess it. Be careful, that blade cuts both ways.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)When there was a fight and people stepped in to separate the fighters, calm them down. Today, pull out the cell phone to record and post on U-tube.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)than days in a year?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)I hate California NAZIs.
Ducksworthy
(55 posts)I'm sorry but I'd love to see the anarchists walk through the smug old white people at a Trump rally. Lets see if anybody tries to throw them out.
LiberalArkie
(15,730 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)And I doubt they will find one.
For the sake of the law, you have to arrest them, I suppose. But there is nothing you can do if a jury just says "We agree with what they did. Not guilty."
Islandurp
(188 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)The KKK is extremely despicable, disgusting, ignorant, intolerable, hateful. I do not think there is word in the English language foul enough to describe them and what they represent. Watching this video though - and seeing the blood on the ground, made me sick.
If I saw a KKK gathering here? I'd want to kick some ass, I would absolutely want to perform physical violence upon them... but I wouldn't. There is a difference between wanting to beat the shit out of someone - and actually doing it. The former can certainly be applauded and empathized with - in this case, the latter should not be.
One question that needs to be asked... where would it stop? You folks saw the same video I did, the same violence, the same hate, the same brandishing of fists and weapons - the same stabbing. This kind of shit will not end well, it never does. We will never reduce or eliminate the KKK by beating the shit out of them, no matter how tempting it is. We will do that through education, through compassion in the face of ignorance, through courage in the face of adversity. We will do that by living decent lives, by being good people, by being the sort of people that do NOT engage in the kind of conduct shown here.
They are ignorant and hateful. You fight back against ignorance with enlightenment, with education, with knowledge, with wisdom. You fight back against hate by holding compassion, empathy, kindness, and peace in your own heart.
Violence is not the way here. I don't want to see people get beaten, stabbed, hurt and killed - and I certainly don't want to see people I like and respect risking their own lives because some stupid assholes are saying some hateful shit.
This whole conversation shouldn't even be necessary. Let the rants of the KKK fall on deaf ears, let educated, enlightened people treat them as the ignorant, backward, redneck children they are, rather than giving them exactly what they're begging for - an excuse to hurt people. This won't end with the folks we saw in this brawl. It will end with innocent people being hurt and killed - it always does.