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appalachiablue

(41,182 posts)
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:45 PM Mar 2016

LISTEN LIBERAL, Thomas Frank's New Book | How the Democratic Party Changed



Kansas City native son & political writer Thomas Frank's book talk on his newest work, 'Listen, Liberal' at the Kansas City, MO Public Library on March 24. Includes a question & answer session with the audience. 38 mins., well worth it. Excellent discussion, Rating A.

KANSAS CITY, MO, March 24, 2016
Author and Kansas City native son Thomas Frank returned to his hometown to talk about what's wrong with the Democratic Party in support of his new book 'Listen, Liberal'.
Following on the tradition of his popular book 'What's the Matter with Kansas' which carefully chronicled how the Republican Party of Lincoln has been seduced and deliberately taken over by extremist ideologues of the far right, Frank now makes the case that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY has also been taken over by a type of CONSERVATIVE ideology that, while not promoting ECONOMIC INEQUALITY, certainly rationalizes it.

While Republican "establishment" figures revere the accumulation of wealth as a sign of 'winning' which somehow makes them automatically somehow qualified --or entitled-- to govern, The Democratic "ESTABLISHMENT" believes that the world is a 'meritocracy' where the elites of the 'professional class' are best suited to govern based on their superior educational attainment and connections.
Frank asserts that the two political parties dominated by societal ELITES have systemically failed the WORKERS in America, resulting in a space for POPULISM to naturally grow into.

The Democratic Party under the leadership of President Bill Clinton turned its back on its working class and middle class roots while attempting to expand and capture the professional class. Claiming that 'they have no place else to go,' the Democrats have also been responsible for policies that increased INCOME INEQUALITY and increased the economic insecurity of white working class people. Some of these people have found a new place to go. They have now left the building. Many of them can now be seen following a pied piper named Trump.

The broken two party political system that has largely seen the hereditary moneyed elites-- who thought they could control the working class with a mix of social conservatism, phony fiscal fears and tax voodoo, and foreign fear mongering-- fight with the intellectual professional class elites who thought they could control the working class because 'THEY HAVE NO PLACE ELSE TO GO', is giving way to an authoritarian populism embodied by a narcissistic reality TV caricature of success likely to be the next Republican Presidential nominee.
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LISTEN LIBERAL, Thomas Frank's New Book | How the Democratic Party Changed (Original Post) appalachiablue Mar 2016 OP
This is an amazing book. zalinda Mar 2016 #1
Astute analysis by Tommy that describes the entire transition in the last 20 years to a tee. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #2
K&R... zeemike Mar 2016 #3
He will be at Powell's Books Punx Mar 2016 #4
What an important book. I've seen book talks at Powell's on CSPAN, good stuff. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #5
Thanks for posting. Missn-Hitch Apr 2016 #6
Thomas' writing style is great. I like the pointed themes and titles of his books too. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #11
I learned something New:Monica Lewinsky Saved Social Security! 2banon Apr 2016 #7
A commemorative postal stamp for Monica, Tommy's right. That blew me away, what a appalachiablue Apr 2016 #9
I was trying to remember the year that was revealed.. 2banon Apr 2016 #10
Totally love the commemorative postal stamp for Monica 2banon Apr 2016 #16
Clinton whispering advice to GOP Budget Hawk Paul Ryan about Medicare, May 2011. Unreal. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #12
i had totally forgotten about that. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #15
TF and TH, More on 'Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People', appalachiablue Apr 2016 #8
I finally understand the Clintons. Gregorian Apr 2016 #13
Your experience is similar to mine and learning the truth after the 2008 Burndown appalachiablue Apr 2016 #14
I didn't understand it either, until it was too late 2banon Apr 2016 #17

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
1. This is an amazing book.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

I didn't read it, but he talked about it on Thom Hartmann. And, when I can read it I will. You will totally understand why some Democrats support Bernie and why some Democrats support Hillary. It is quite the history of the Democratic party.

Z

appalachiablue

(41,182 posts)
2. Astute analysis by Tommy that describes the entire transition in the last 20 years to a tee.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

Also saw the good discussion with TH, and think the job he did at this book talk with the engaged audience was outstanding.

Punx

(446 posts)
4. He will be at Powell's Books
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:46 PM
Mar 2016

Here in Portland Oregon sometime Friday evening. Great interview on x-ray FM a couple of days ago.

Missn-Hitch

(1,383 posts)
6. Thanks for posting.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:46 AM
Apr 2016

I enjoyed 'What's the Matter with Kansas'. Looking forward to picking this one up - preaching to the choir at this point but I enjoy his style.

Four years ago preparing for a Romney win. This year? Fuh get about it.

Cheers!

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
7. I learned something New:Monica Lewinsky Saved Social Security!
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:19 AM
Apr 2016

Holy Mackerel! That headline alone needs it's own OP.!

We owe her a debt of gratitude for unwittingly disrupting Bill Clinton's plans to privatize Social Security, he and Newt Gingrich cooked up behind closed doors. The scandal broke just in the nick of time. pennies from heaven?

Of course, Bill Clinton is still on that mission, caught on tape with Paul Ryan on just how they could work together to accomplish that. But hey, Hillary supporters don't give a damn about Social Security being privatized, they got theirs..

appalachiablue

(41,182 posts)
9. A commemorative postal stamp for Monica, Tommy's right. That blew me away, what a
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:26 AM
Apr 2016

stroke of luck for the American people, damn that was close! I've seen the tape with Ryan, made me sick alright.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
10. I was trying to remember the year that was revealed..
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:45 AM
Apr 2016

I think it might have been around the time of the 2008 campaign, but hmm. do you recall?

Yes it was disgusting. and quite revealing. I think it should be posted again as a reminder of just what we have to look forward to among other atrocities.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
16. Totally love the commemorative postal stamp for Monica
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:19 PM
Apr 2016

American Heroine for Saving Social Security.

appalachiablue

(41,182 posts)
12. Clinton whispering advice to GOP Budget Hawk Paul Ryan about Medicare, May 2011. Unreal.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:50 AM
Apr 2016

The Young Turks, Cenk I believe did a great report on this subject on YouTube.

appalachiablue

(41,182 posts)
8. TF and TH, More on 'Listen, Liberal: Or, What Ever Happened to the Party of the People',
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 01:20 AM
Apr 2016

the home of unions, social security and medicare, the working class and middle classes. Thom Hartmann asks journalist Tommy Frank how the Democratic Party of FDR, Henry Wallace and Lyndon Johnson became the party of Bill Clinton, Tim Geithner and Larry Summers, and much more. Great session, 57 mins.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
13. I finally understand the Clintons.
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

It took me years to understand the details. I didn't know what NAFTA was when it came out. I knew it was a scam, but didn't know the philosophy until now. He does a great job of revealing those facets

I watched it happen. I knew what was going on. I didn't know the details and the philosophy until now. I finally get the whole picture.

It's a great time for information and learning. I'm sorry I didn't have the interest in discovering the truth about the shift some Democrats were making. And that's how they got away with it.


appalachiablue

(41,182 posts)
14. Your experience is similar to mine and learning the truth after the 2008 Burndown
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016

has been both infuriating and liberating. Much credit and appreciation to Tommy Frank and other political analysts who've educated us about the conservative movement directed by elites within the Democratic Party in the last 25 years. It has to change now in the other direction, the country must make a hard left for the sake of humanity and life on earth.
Sanders is center left, and Clinton is far right in this graph comparison with UK political parties as one example. Amazing.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511620991

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
17. I didn't understand it either, until it was too late
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

and was faced with the on the street reality of it.

When Bill Clinton won the election, I remember saying to friends and peers, that we were coming out of a "shell shocked" era.. and maybe, that euphemism was more accurate than I had imagined then.

So in effect, I was so incredibly relieved that a Democrat finally won the election, I had no clue what he was about, but what did that matter?. I just figured, he was a Democrat, Hall-a-friggin-Lulla! everything was going to come up roses finally after 12 years of Reagan and Poppy Bush.

But then in that second term, he was enacting really weird anti-Democratic Party policies. WTF? Reading Utne articles explaining his policies, rooted in "Third Way" think tank institutes and white papers, explaining the "New Democrat" I still didn't get it. Until much later. When the effects of these policies began to reveal itself.

The Clinton's Hijacked the Party when he took office the 92 election. But it wasn't until 2000 when I began to recognize it.

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