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Jane Sanders is a Refreshing Bouquet of Sincerity (Original Post) zebonaut Apr 2016 OP
So is Rachel Maddow Renew Deal Apr 2016 #1
Rachel sold out to the Establishment for some pieces of gold. She saw what rhett o rick Apr 2016 #35
She's much better than Bernie... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #2
he actually didn't call her unqualified... he questioned whether she was... which is not actually Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #11
Um CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #13
now that you have admitted those are hc's weaknesses , try and defend them questionseverything Apr 2016 #27
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #29
That's a telling reply CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #31
yes, I agree... written like that, he was saying she wasn't qualified. Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #34
You realise that quote needs to be verbatim... Fairgo Apr 2016 #36
Bernie said - very cleverly - DrBulldog Apr 2016 #14
Thank you, DrBulldog. Explained it so a five y/o can understand. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #16
Give us all a break, Dr. Hillary didn't force to Bernie do anything. Nitram Apr 2016 #21
Yeah, how dare he TM99 Apr 2016 #28
I heard the speech. lark Apr 2016 #23
Jane was terrific, prepared, sharp and pleasant. She'll be a wonderful First Lady! appalachiablue Apr 2016 #3
I thought Rachel's interview was of poor quality fasttense Apr 2016 #4
Rachel kept staring at the ceiling looking for the questions! oldandhappy Apr 2016 #5
rachel stated...we didn't see anything like this in 08 was horse puckey questionseverything Apr 2016 #8
You are absolutely right. KPN Apr 2016 #24
yep, I can't stand her anymore. Way too repetitive and fixated on GOP politics Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #10
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #22
Way too repetitive....my God, yes! LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #40
I noticed that too; Rachael going off on looooooong tangents ..... zebonaut Apr 2016 #41
my feelings exactly Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #42
I guess Jane has a PHD Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #6
Her doctorate is in education. She has been college president at two schools. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #7
She has an online PhD from an Ohio institution that lost its accreditation shortly pnwmom Apr 2016 #26
Woah there, pnwmom..."Seven Days - Vermont's Independent Voice" may be a suspect source...LOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #38
LOL. pnwmom Apr 2016 #39
This was illuminating. Rachel seemed less prepared than usual. I agree with FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #9
Every time she and Bernie speak... IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #12
I'd rather see Jane for the next for years than Bill n/t dragonfly301 Apr 2016 #15
amen. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #18
Candidate's wife -- you mean Michelle didn't or doesn't pass the test? Hekate Apr 2016 #17
that is your takeaway? wow. twisted. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #19
Huh? KPN Apr 2016 #25
It would have been a great interview...if Rachel had done one. But she said she FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #32
Eh? d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #33
Michelle walks on water...and would be gracious to Jane lostnfound Apr 2016 #37
"A refreshing bouquet of sincerity?" Nitram Apr 2016 #20
are you feeling alright? n/t deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #30
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
35. Rachel sold out to the Establishment for some pieces of gold. She saw what
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 05:38 PM
Apr 2016

happened to progressives and took the money.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
2. She's much better than Bernie...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

... except for the part where she tries to say that Bernie never called Hillary unqualified.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
11. he actually didn't call her unqualified... he questioned whether she was... which is not actually
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:44 PM
Apr 2016

the same thing

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
13. Um
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:54 PM
Apr 2016

These are Bernie's words:

"I don’t believe that she is qualified, if she is, through her super-PAC, taking tens of millions of dollars in special interest funds. I don’t think that you are qualified if you get $15 million from Wall Street through your super-PAC. I don’t think you are qualified if you have voted for the disastrous war in Iraq. I don’t think you are qualified if you have supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement which has cost us millions of decent paying jobs. I don’t think you are qualified if you’ve supported the Panama free trade agreement, something I very strongly opposed and, which as all of you know, has allowed corporations and wealthy all over the world people to avoid paying their taxes to their countries."

He clearly said he doesn't think Hillary is qualified, if you understand logic.

A --> B
A
----
B

It's a simple construction. He says if these conditions are true, you aren't qualified. He says in every speech he gives that Hillary meets all those conditions. Therefore, logic proves that he did in fact say Hillary is unqualified.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
27. now that you have admitted those are hc's weaknesses , try and defend them
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

everything he stated is true

and he didn't even bring up her support of the private for profit prison industry, which is despicable

on every major issue bernie is on the right side of history while hc will not even accept medical mj

Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #13)

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
31. That's a telling reply
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:13 PM
Apr 2016
treats other people like shit (check)


What the heck did I say that makes you say that? Logic is now offensive?
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
34. yes, I agree... written like that, he was saying she wasn't qualified.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 04:10 PM
Apr 2016

It's just I had seen other formulations of his speech where it seemed to be posed as more of a question by him.

 

DrBulldog

(841 posts)
14. Bernie said - very cleverly -
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:02 PM
Apr 2016

"I would consider SOMEONE unqualified IF they advocated <state their position here>."

Bernie can play the indirect game even better than Hillary - and Hillary FORCED him to play it.

Nitram

(22,845 posts)
21. Give us all a break, Dr. Hillary didn't force to Bernie do anything.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

Can't Bernie and his supporters take responsibility for anything he says and does?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
28. Yeah, how dare he
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

fight back against her own weasely, indirect, double messages of being unqualified.

He simply did the same back, and boy does that piss of the Queen and her subjects.

lark

(23,138 posts)
23. I heard the speech.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

It did sound to me like he was saying HRC was unqualified to be president. I was surprised when I heard others saying no, because that's what I heard. I wasn't listening really closely, was getting dressed at the time, but still what I saw and heard was him saying she's unqualified. I think that was a mistake, but not a disqualifying one. No one, not even Bernie, is perfect. We all misspeak from time to time and that's what that sounded like to me.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
4. I thought Rachel's interview was of poor quality
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

There were so many other questions she could have asked Ms Sanders. Jane is an interesting person in her own right and Rachel looked rather amateurish in her interview approach.

I have been severely disappointed with Rachel lately. She seems to be a Trump commentator most of the time. When she does wonders over to the Democratic side of things, she is usually pushing the status quo.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
5. Rachel kept staring at the ceiling looking for the questions!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 11:58 AM
Apr 2016

Cracked me up. I was surprised, frankly, that she was needing to put Jane in a box. Asked her how she fit into the campaign and admitted she needed a title or place for Jane to fit. Poor prep by someone. Jane is an interesting person with life experience -- president of two different colleges. She has been a political wife sort of forever. Jane is a smart gracious lady.

Yes, trump trump trump and clinton clinton clinton. I stopped watching. Saw a clip on the interview on my computer.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
8. rachel stated...we didn't see anything like this in 08 was horse puckey
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

i remember hc stating she was qualified, john mccain was qualified, she wasn't so sure about obama being qualified

hc's campaign ANNOUNCED their new strategy was to disqualify and defeat bernie, then when they place the artful smear into the msm and bernie responds....hc's supporters are all SURPRISED

bernie was correct...looking at hc's history, her lack of judgement does make her unqualified to serve

between 500,000 and a million people are currently losing their food stamps this month because of the clinton's "welfare reform"

horrid policy takes years sometimes to see the unintended consequences and the clintons NEVER seem to be able to see the damage they do

i get so tired of hearing bernie and hc are so similar in their goals when they are miles apart

KPN

(15,647 posts)
24. You are absolutely right.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

She talked often about her and McCain having a "lifetime of experience" whereas Obama had just one speech (at the 2004 Dem Convention) ... if that doesn't say that in her opinion he (Obama) isn't qualified, I don't know what does. The differences in 2008 vs today are that her campaign spokespeople didn't make the mistake of coming out and saying that their goal was to disqualify Obama (though it actually was even in 2008), and the press didn't report her statement as saying she thought Obama was unqualified (as they did this time in 2016 re: Bernie).

The Clinton's are scheming, self-obsessed Machiavellians -- and Bernie didn't let her get away with it this time. Good on Bernie. He gets the truth out.

The shocking thing in all of this is that the Clinton's have not learned a thing from 2008 except that they needed to foster loyalty to her among black voters in the interim between then and her 2016 run -- that demographic was what Obama beat her on in 2008 and they weren't going to let that happen again.

Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #10)

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
40. Way too repetitive....my God, yes!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 10:50 AM
Apr 2016

Rachel never met a topic that she couldn't stretch out and beat to death on her way to making a point. She must think being long winded is amusing and that the audience is hanging on every word, when, in fact, it's irritating as hell.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
26. She has an online PhD from an Ohio institution that lost its accreditation shortly
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

after awarding that degree, and then stopped awarding PhD's in her field.

And she has one job as a college Provost (not President) that she held for a year and a half, followed by a job of President at Burlington College, that she was forced to leave after she applied for millions in loans for a real estate purchase, while claiming to have security that they didn't have (she reported a million dollar future bequest as a multiple year ongoing donation.)

A Trustee at the college said that in deciding to hire her they were influenced by the fact that her husband was the Senator, which they hoped would help with fund raising. It didn't.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/jane-says-sanders-secret-weapon-or-a-political-liability/Content?oid=2670992

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
38. Woah there, pnwmom..."Seven Days - Vermont's Independent Voice" may be a suspect source...LOL!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:48 AM
Apr 2016

I was accused of being a Nazi-sympathizing
Seventh Day Adventist when I dared to cite it yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511678947#post40

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511678947#post42



FailureToCommunicate

(14,019 posts)
9. This was illuminating. Rachel seemed less prepared than usual. I agree with
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:34 PM
Apr 2016

others here that Rachel has been slipping more lately, less objective in her coverage, perhaps due to her clear support for the
other candidate or due to some MSNBC network constraints.

Thanks for posting.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
12. Every time she and Bernie speak...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:44 PM
Apr 2016

it seems like they are normal, hard working people who GET THE ACTUAL ISSUES.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,019 posts)
32. It would have been a great interview...if Rachel had done one. But she said she
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

hadn't. I think that if Rachel HAD interviewed Michelle when Obama was running, then Rachel would most likely have remembered it.

lostnfound

(16,189 posts)
37. Michelle walks on water...and would be gracious to Jane
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 06:10 AM
Apr 2016

Because she and her husband Barack have class.

Nitram

(22,845 posts)
20. "A refreshing bouquet of sincerity?"
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

I'm sorry, but that's the purplest piece of maudlin prose I've read in quite a while. Convince me right of the bat that I wouldn't want to watch the interview. A refreshing bouquet of sincerity? Quick, shoot me now!

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