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Related: About this forumHillary Clinton and Bill de Blasio make a cringeworthy “colored people time” joke at New York...
...Charity Event.
"For the uninitiated CPT is an acronym for colored people time, an old stereotype African-Americans have employed in jest amongst each other to excuse tardiness. Unfortunately, I found out on Monday that the shorthand CPT is no longer just an inside joke, but such a commonplace referral that even Hillary Clinton and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio are publicly joking about the term."
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/11/watch_hillary_clinton_and_bill_de_blasio_make_a_cringeworthy_colored_people_time_joke_at_new_york_city_charity_event/
TM99
(8,352 posts)Jesus!
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)as I wrote below...And certain politicians are in NO position to be involved with this kind of trash, insider private charity event or not, especially when running for high public office.
TM99
(8,352 posts)My thoughts from another thread on the topic.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1708936
Bodych
(133 posts)lewebley3
(3,412 posts)redruddyred
(1,615 posts)i think this was staged but either way it's pretty
agracie
(950 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)And rightly so.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)She made it
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Festivito
(13,452 posts)npk
(3,660 posts)phazed0
(745 posts)I knew nothing about "CPT" before this.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)no I didn't know it was a racist term till someone said it was.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)Nothing like a candidate for the presidency teaching us about racial stereotypes.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)No need to 'say' slow, late, lazy and simple-minded. It was clear with this trash 'joke' ?!
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- Stereotypes of African Americans: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Stereotypes and generalizations about African Americans and their culture have evolved within American society dating back to the colonial years of settlement, particularly after slavery became a racial institution that was heritable. The early blackface minstrel shows of the 19th century portrayed blacks as joyous, naive, superstitious, ignorant, and musically inclinedcharacteristics related to the way slaveholders in earlier years believed them to be.
Such scholars as Patricia A. Turner note "stereotyping objects in popular culture that depict blacks as servile, primitive, or simpleminded and explains how the subtle influences of such seemingly harmless images reinforce anti-black attitudes".[1] As with every other identifiable group, stereotypes continue today. African Americans are often portrayed as violent, lazy and very religious. They also are portrayed as having a love of fried chicken, watermelon, corn bread, Kool-Aid, waffles, sweet tea, and grape drink.[2]
The idea of race in the United States is based on physical characteristics and skin color. It played an essential part in shaping American society even before the nation existed independently.[3] The perception of black people has been closely tied to their place in the social strata of the United States.[4]
Historical archetypes[edit]
~ Cover to an early edition of Jump Jim Crow sheet music (c. 1832) ~
- Main article: Blackface
Minstrel shows portrayed and lampooned black people in stereotypical and often disparaging ways, as ignorant, lazy, buffoonish, superstitious, joyous, and musical. Blackface is a style of theatrical makeup that originated in the United States, used to effect the countenance of an iconic, racist American archetype that of the darky or coon. White blackface performers in the past used burnt cork and later greasepaint or shoe polish to blacken their skin and exaggerate their lips, often wearing woolly wigs, gloves, tailcoats, or ragged clothes to complete the transformation.
*The best known stock character of this sort is Jim Crow, featured in innumerable stories, minstrel shows, and early films.
- Sambo, Golliwog, and pickaninny[edit]
Main articles: Sambo (racial term), Gollywog and Pickaninny
The Sambo stereotype gained notoriety through the 1898 children's book The Story of Little Black Sambo by Helen Bannerman. It told the story of a boy named Sambo who outwitted a group of hungry tigers. "Sambo" refers to black men that were considered very happy, usually laughing, lazy, irresponsible, or carefree. This depiction of black people was displayed in films of the early 20th century. The original text suggested that Sambo lived in India, but this fact may have escaped many readers. The book has often been considered to be a slur against Africans,[5] and "Sambo" as a slur has certainly been used this way, though the US restaurant chain Sambo's, surviving until 1982, used iconography more in tune with a Jungle Book view of 19th-century India.
Gollywog is a similarly enduring caricature, most often represented as a blackface doll, and dates to American children's books of the late 19th century. The character found great favor among the Whites of Great Britain and Australia as well, into the late 20th century. Notably, as with Sambo, the term as an insult crosses ethnic lines; the derived Commonwealth English epithet Wog is applied more often to people from the Arabian Peninsula and Indian Subcontinent than to Africans, though "Golly dolls" still in production mostly retain the look of the stereotypical blackface minstrel.
The term pickaninny, reserved for children, has a similarly broadened pattern of use; while it originated in a Portuguese word for 'small child' in general, it was applied especially to African-American children in the United States, then later to Australian Aboriginal children. Although not usually used alone as a character name, the pickaninny became a mainstream stock character in White-dominated fiction, music, theater and early film in the United States and beyond. *Continued, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_African_Americans
zentrum
(9,865 posts)This faux-hip, profoundly ignorant, tone deaf "joke" is mind boggling on every level. A completely failed pander with racist underpinnings they are so unaware ofGood Godwhat do such people say in private if this is their public "best"?
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)phazed0
(745 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Response to Gomez163 (Reply #10)
Ed Suspicious This message was self-deleted by its author.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)She didn't even have the gumption to criticize him for it.
SICK !!! Really really, sick,
virgogal
(10,178 posts)of saying things that we wish we hadn't said.
Human nature.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Why did she ever go along with this?
Bangbangdem
(140 posts)She is running for president. She is beholden to a higher standard of conduct. Correct me if I am wrong. And in this case, does insulting millions qualify as one just being a victim of their nature? I ask you.
agracie
(950 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I take it you don't know who Leslie Odom, Jr. is?
You see, the joke "Cautious Politician Time" cannot work without the tongue in cheek racist tension of the joke itself.
Sure you can say it's all fine because they never said "Colored People Time" but the joke only works because of that racist term itself. All in all, the joke certainly pulls from a racist term and thus, the joke can't work without being racist.
So... sorry, it can't be explained any other way.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)A piss poor calculated attempt at edgy (?) humor. Went over like a lead balloon...
They just can't be what they want - it's like watching business people pretend to be hip, or christian rock bands trying to be cool. It just doesn't work because it's so calculated as fake.
Which brings up WHY the F* did they try it? Who the F** ever thought that would be funny?
retrowire
(10,345 posts)And that kind of humor is dangerous ground for a potential president to be walking on... But she did it. *facepalm*
chervilant
(8,267 posts)trotting out that misleading and disingenuous meme that originated with your candidate's campaign: "bernie bros." Welcome to my IL.
The words I would say to you aren't racist. But would certainly impune your intelligence. And I would surly be banned for even coming one tenth of the way in the direction that these two did, in terms of insulting people.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)you wanna call him out on that
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)I can't believe how hypocritical Hillary supporters are being over this. I can't imagine the backlash if Sarandon had said CP time.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)When my son was being called an "n" word everyday at school there were those who said that I was making a big deal out of nothing. When I was cautioned that my son should be careful because they still had sundowners law on the books I was also told that I was hearing a threat that wasn't there.
Hillary & Bill understand the issues facing people of color as much as it suits them to gain votes/favor, for "better" or worse. "Better" being Bill playing the sax and Hillary doing the Nae-Nae Whip. For worse is them employing the Southern Strategy when searching for white working class votes.
The Clinton campaign is disgusting and gives not one whit about the problems of real people.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Try to avoid being it.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)even if you're not familiar with the racial slur inherent in "cpt" or "cp" time, denying or minimizing the racism in this offensive "joke" is indefensible.
Good luck supporting a candidate who continues to act in manners unbecoming.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)violent country blacks and PoC are being openly attacked, assaulted, arrested and incarcerated in Prisons daily? Outrageous.
This the very night after Bill insulted and blasted BLM protestors in Philly claiming they were defending child Super-Predators? WTH!?
Is "Stop and Frisk" cool and 'funny' now too?
This behavior and talk is inexcusable, same with the servile black 'prop' actor being used in this racist 'skit'.
Unbelievable. James Crow Jr. on full display. For shame.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)Hillary can afford this in these times, with her and Bill's attitude toward BLM activists, her Goldwater, 'Sen. Anti-Civil Rights Act' membership, and the Clinton's Super-Predator 1994 Crime Bill and Welfare Deform Act of 1996? Not in anyone's book.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)casual racism on a regular basis to see the funny in it.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)Or black people who might privately co-op historically racist terms born of centuries of oppression. Some marginalized groups do that, but it is Not appropriate or OK for others, especially persons running for high government office to entertain this kind of Not sly, but open bigotry as humor. Don't know how anyone can't see what this is, so it needs clarification for any who might and for the record. Unacceptable.
agracie
(950 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Are you serious?
Leslie Odom Jr. is one of the stars of the biggest show on Broadway right now.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)He's a second to the two principals, is attired in historic costume, hence 'servile' avec quotes. And he voiced objection. So it's clear to most excluding a small group of elites and those familiar with the context. Highly offensive and in very poor taste regardless.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The title of the show was "Shamilton" and included a spoof of the Hamilton - Burr feud from the play, relating the characters to DeBlasio and Cuomo.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)like this in these serious, violent times. We're a long, long way, if ever from that kind of sick, offensive levity, at the expense of blacks and people of color, too many who are discriminated against, marginalized, abused, and criminalized. The viewers who now see this video clip in the media know nothing of the play story and it is irrelevant to their lives and the reality of our extremely racist, brutal society.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)http://www.newsday.com/long-island/hillary-clinton-drops-in-at-inner-circle-show-needles-mayor-1.11673400
The Newsday article about this year's event did not even make mention of the joke in question.
The article does mention this:
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)and attended in New York, London, Washington and many other places. Two family members studied drama and acting, with pupils of Lee Strasburg, and actors Eli Wallach, Oliver Platt, Glenn Close and others. The relatives appeared in productions of the works of Shakespeare, Chekov, Chinese Opera, Arthur Miller, Tennessee Williams, August Wilson, Tom Stoppard and more. Doesn't pertain at all to the topic at issue.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)It was sort of like a roast. Numerous jokes were made at the expense of NY politicians for laughs. There were skits and parodies of Broadway musicals including Hamilton. There were a lot of dumb and un-PC jokes. The white mayor was encouraged to boast about his accomplishments in a hip-hop style (a la the musical), for example.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)for average Americans (who don't follow/live for Theatre) seeing this clip now mostly on social media and determining that it's insulting and in extremely bad taste.
You have much work to do getting out all of the play's background and educating millions on contemporary Theater, so better get started. That's a huge population, unlike the DU message forum. There's no time to waste!
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I can't really do anything about the fact that this clip is out there on social media. I am just trying to explain to you what the event was in the hopes that it may give you a broader understanding of the context.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)reception this will have to people who don't know or care about the inside aspects, only that it is blatantly obnoxious by any measure. It doesn't require over explaining and thinking, believe it. Not over complicated..Whew-
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)from his reaction if he even knew it was coming. But DeBlasio and Hillary knew that particular POC was going to be on the stage with them. Couldn't they have foreseen that the "joke" might have been offensive to him?
A stupid, hurtful quip in my mind right up there with Romney's "47%." And it's going viral.
K&R NOT for the video, but for posting it, appalachiablue. Thank you!
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)any time with what's going on in our racist, apartheid brutal society and near police state. A very stupid, callous joke at best you're right. And similar to Romney's caught on tape remark about the 47% at the exclusive Florida Fat Cats event.
Although little has or will be covered about this rude blunder in M$M, social media is ablaze. And the flames from wild accusations by Bill Clinton this week that BLM and black people are defending criminal activity are ongoing.
The DNC, the Dem. Party and too many Democratic politicians, including blockhead de Blah, Blah Blasio who campaigned against progressives in NY state with Cuomo and is not doing so well according to New Yorkers here are unbelievable. And I'm a lifelong Dem. and voter but with many second thoughts now.
Duval
(4,280 posts)As my daughter used to say "Just gag me with a spoon".
DrBulldog
(841 posts). . . are STILL unaware of the damage that the Clintons have done them over the past 20 years. Such unbelievable ignorance.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)but you think a joke about "cautious politician time"--done with the participation of an African American cast member of Hamilton, is over the top offensive. Interesting.
Do you think Representative John Lewis shows "such unbelievable ignorance"?
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)oh snap
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)That's the sound New York not voting for Hillary.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)These two do whatever they are paid to do.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)maindawg
(1,151 posts)That was a fundraiser joke you idiot.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Now that Hillary inc is no longer pandering to them.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)Used, exploited, called for help but discarded like Lillie Harden of Little Rock, Arkansas. Bill Clinton enlisted Lillie Harden as the poster child for Welfare 'reform' in 1996. Sadly, we can't ask Lillie how 'Workfare' went for her because she's no longer living. In 2014 after suffering a stroke in 2002 and asking for help but refused Lillie Harden passed away.
- Lillie Harden of Arkansas Stands to the Left at Clinton's Signing of the Welfare Reform Act, Aug. 22, 1996.
(AKA 'Workfare' and the Welfare Deform Act That Threw Millions of Vulnerable Women and Children into Poverty and Caused Government Officials to Resign, Including Peter Edelman at HUD).
"The Tragic End of the Woman Bill Clinton Exploited As Poster Child For Gutting Welfare", AlterNet, May 11, 2015.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/tragic-end-woman-bill-clinton-exploited-poster-child-gutting-welfare
AzDar
(14,023 posts)realmirage
(2,117 posts)You're right, this is way more important than Bernie's inability to explain how he would accomplish his own key issues. For sure, this should sway your vote. Oh, and when Bernie's wife can figure out how to print their taxes, they'll explain how they'll run a country.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)A new addition to my IL! (Welcome to DU, as well.)
chapdrum
(930 posts)We expect it, though.
Clue: When you run for president or "president," you must keep discretion at or near the top of your list.
If you display the opposite, it speaks poorly of you, dear.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)for that clip is grossly under estimated. It was flat out racist, and I bet that the majority of the 165,000+ views on YouTube agree.
K&R for the posting, NOT the "joke."
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...and poured it over her. Very bad 'optics,' as they say. Or not, depending on who you're trying to impress with the melted gold look.
Which brings me to the main show, this extraordinary racist joke shared by the mayor of New York and Hillary Clinton.
My first thought was, WHY would Hillary Clinton deliberately insult the one demographic group that gave her her current lead in the delegate count, in the southern states, and that has stuck with her in (to me) inexplicable numbers--African Americans--(except for young AA's who are now voting for Sanders)?
Combined with Bill's rant and finger pointing the other day at BLM activists, I have been truly bewildered by their insults. Why?
The only thing I can think of is they know the fix is in, and they are parading their invincibility by trashing their supporters. 'Take that, you suckers! We don't need to care!'
Let's hope that it's hubris.
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from Google:
hu·bris
ˈ h)yo͞obrəs/
noun
excessive pride or self-confidence.
synonyms: arrogance, conceit, haughtiness, hauteur, pride, self-importance, egotism, pomposity, superciliousness, superiority; More
(in Greek tragedy) excessive pride toward or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis.
nem·e·sis
ˈneməsəs/
noun
the inescapable agent of someone's or something's downfall.
"the balance beam was the team's nemesis, as two gymnasts fell from the apparatus"
synonyms: archrival, adversary, foe, opponent, arch enemy
"they were beaten in the final by their nemesis"
a long-standing rival; an archenemy.
"will Harry Potter finally defeat his nemesis, Voldemort?"
a downfall caused by an inescapable agent.
"one risks nemesis by uttering such words"
synonyms: downfall, undoing, ruin, ruination, destruction, Waterloo
"this could be the bank's nemesis"
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Folks like this should be tarred and feathered, and put into the town center stockade!
Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)This is just another anti-Hillary thread to occupy space on DU. The Sandernistas are all over threads these days.
"Bernie Takes a Walk."
"My Republican Grandma is Supporting Bernie."
"Everybody in the Restaurant Clapped at my Bernie Shirt."
"Bernie uses Air Quotation Marks Better Than Anyone."
"Bernie Points Better Than Hillary."
"Bernie Lectures Better Than a College Professor."
And on and on it goes . . . Move along, nothing here.