wrecked the party which now is only a shell of what it once greatly represented

And I don't trust the Dems as far as I can throw them this Primary Season. All the shenanigans of the DNC and DWS have turned me off big time. If she gets the nomination, well, I will feel as if the Dems left the voters, including me. And then I'll decide what to do.

After what I just read about what DWS is doing, now that NY is and has been decided for the delegate count


Honk---------------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

A man Dr. King said would be "unfortunate and disastrous" if he became president.

It's absurd.

Look, I voted for Bernie in my state's primary, but she was 17 at the time, for heaven's sake.

the White House. We can be sure that Billy will be moving levers of his own. With Hillary, it'll be a doubling down of the third-way, corporate Democratic Regime.

Welcome to DU!

it will be BJ Bill's third term.

If you haven't seen the HOC series, check it out on Netflix. Machiavelli lives!

He moved right and as a Frank points out in his latest book, started representing the upper income professional democrats, the top 10%, and other than some lip service abandoned their historic blue collar constituency. Running things as a meritocracy.

Hillary will mostly continue this path but the Hillary crowd seems fine with it or for some reason doesn't see what a lot of us see.

And I am a devoted D. She is diametrically opposed to my values.

of an obligation, in my view, to convince voters that her presidency will not be an extension of her husband's, more than voters have an obligation to prove they're not sexist.

If Sanders loses the nomination, Hillary should try to get his help to write a speech that will win her back the trust of Berners.

Hillary has a lot more to explain than the Bernie-lite platitudes she spoke tonight after her New York win, such as, "We can do great things if we do them together," and thanking donors "just like you" for helping finance her campaign.

A lot of other things will have to change in the party before Bernie will help her with that speech, so I'm thinking she won't even ask for his support.

on the Big Pic, Tommy also mentioned how in 1998 Bill was ready to cut Social Security with help from Repug. Newt Gingrich (Southern, Boomer buddy) but FATE intervened in the form of Monica Lewinsky.

Just think of that- SS cut, then the 2008 Burndown after the Wall Street Subprime Mortgage fraud and mass misery with millions of home foreclosures, retirement funds and life savings lost, jobs lost, homelessness and poverty.

Thomas Frank gets it.

The New Democrats/DLC/Third Way have ruined the Democratic party. It really isn't much different from the republicans now on economic and foreign policy issues.

To say otherwise lets too many people off the hook.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/35697-democrats-march-toward-cliff

That same party Sanders has despised and bad mouthed for decades--well before the Clintons were even out of college? The party of John F. Kennedy, Jr., who Sanders said made him sick after listening to one of his speeches?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech#.plVMzBaRz

if sanders was running third party we'd have to worry abt y'all complaining that he was "giving it up to the republicans".

from what i understand of the dems the past 20 years, they've been hella disappointing on the issues. sanders is right.

re: the OP, bill clinton, like obama are two very intelligent and competent men. but this is worthless to the 90% if they aren't working for us. hillary, if elected, would be the same.

i think i just said something nice abt your candidate, do i get a round of applause. a cookie?

and they didn't have their seat belts on. They fell out of the car!

The thing that worked for Bill was that he was loaded with charisma. He could sell ice to Eskimos, Hillary has none!

It's all there for anyone to see what he did and the results of it. You rarely hear about his deregulation of radio/television, but I think it was one of his more damaging legacies. It opened up the non-stop propaganda machine that extended the life of this revolutionary overthrow of our government. It is what led to the rise of Fox News, Rush Limpballs, InsHannity, Tweety, and Chucky Toad to name but a few!

Whether or not Bernie makes it, he will lead us in this political revolution and continue to make it grow. Hillary will do her part by proving us right all along. That is of course if Bernie and the rest of us lose because we are in this race with him!

The Republicans let themselves be taken over by their kook extremist wing.

We actual Democrats - people who didn't just join the party a year ago, and don't think Democrats are "corrupt" for making the best of a bad situation - have our candidate.

The party is fine. It's just being attacked by hate-filled Greens and old frustrated Communists as much as it's attacked by the Republicans.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

But I can see how a "Conservative" Democrat could be confused by me.

...you're not the kind of people I'm talking about.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

had some wise words on Truth and Reality

(I can't believe i'm referencing nietzche)

...who twist everything Hillary does into "corruption" and bullshit conspiracy theories.

Bernie Bros are absolutely full of convictions.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

that explains her recordhigh favorability rating

hillary hags are full of aspersions and devoid of content. i know yelling at each other over the internet is pretty useless as a persuasive exercise, but y'all take it a step too far.

where we gonna go, eh?

Which explains her UNfavorability ratings. It's the easiest thing in the world to pander to kids, tell them they're going to get everything they wish for, and it all will be completely free (even if those numbers make no more sense than Trump's stupid ass wall). But she doesn't do that.

She also is the only remaining presidential candidate that hasn't made pure frothing at the mouth hatred a central element of her campaign. Trump hates immigrants. Kasich, women. Cruz, anyone not a WASP. Sanders, anyone who is economically successful in America, even people like George Clooney. With all these hate peddlers campaigning, of course they're going to encourage their backers to not just think she's second best, but outright hate her - backed by their constant lies.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

and then turning around to smear him again

it's the easiest thing in the world to pander to rich people. especially if you're working for them.

you don't get it bruh. this college thing is generational warfare. you probably don't care either. you're just a mean old hillhag.

if you're nice i'll tell you about what the banksters did to my friends. maybe i'll tell it anyways.

Many Hillary supporters want to fixate on labels like how recent Bernie joined the Democratic Party, when his record is what we should judge him by. When the Party is taken over by corporate, so called, "Democrats," and they force you to vote their way due to the party affiliation, you have tied your hands when you are supposed to be representing your constituents, you have failed them. It's like the Republicans signing Grover Norquist's Tax Pledge. When it is necessary and beneficial to your constituents to raise or enact a new tax you have to break a pledge to do so.

Hillary lobbied for the worst of Bill's policies, Welfare Reform, Wall Street and media deregulation etc., very un-Democratic policies that are causing immense harm to this day.

When your candidate is taking so much money, both personally, and in the form of campaign contributions, Super PACs, and the Clinton Global Initiative, from the wealthiest, most powerful people and corporations in the world, and then has the nerve to say it doesn't affect her at all and you believe that! You are letting the greedy "kooks" hijack our Party! You have fallen for the Fox News 2.0!

For literally months, we've been regaled by Sanders supporters' (and also the hate-filled Bernie-bros'), proclamations that he was absolutely destroying Clinton in terms of popularity. And yet, here we are.

Further, you seem to forget that President Clinton signed on to most of what you disagree with, under duress - veto proof majorities in favor of much worse versions of those initiatives. You also seem to forget that Clinton was very much the turning point in turning around Democrats' electoral prospects. We hadn't had a two full term Democrat in office in this country since Harry Truman.

Maybe with that Texas flag you can understand that there are more than just liberal Democrats in the United States. But no, I don't think going back to being the perpetual losing party in this country is a good idea. And Sanders would get absolutely killed in the general.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

It has been a race against time for him to get his message out against a tide of MSM misrepresentation, dismissivness and a host of other hurdles. Whether he wins or loses he and the rest of us are not going away. We will continue to grow our movement. If Hillary wins she will help us by proving our point. Sure she will throw out a few social bones to the masses, but her wealthy friends will start reaping the benefits of all of that seed money!

How does your reality explain the numerous polls that have shown Bernie doing better against the Republicans than Hillary. I am sure you have some excuse as to why that is so. In the General, Bernie would be able to reach the folks that normally don't follow politics and his numbers would fly sky high. Both Bernie and Hillary are excellent debaters so the Republicans lose big there, but Hillary has a lot of baggage and is under investigation that could really screw us if they indict her, whether out of politics or because of the facts, it doesn't matter, it could derail Democrats and put an evil dumbass in the WH.

Especially about the damage done by Clinton's Telecommunications Bill. Six corporate conglomerates own the media and decide what is 'news' and most importantly, what or who is promoted. Reality TV (Roman bread and circuses) has replaced history, arts, and anything illuminating, enlightening and educational.

I started realizing this so clearly during the 2000 election when the media appeared universally against Gore. Then came the push to war AGAINST Iraq and it was all so shockingly clear. All the voices opposed to war were marginalized and silenced while the hawkish war promoters like Cheney, Condiliar, Rummy got free rein, and the news reader bloviators like Chucky, Timmy Russert (may he rest in H---), et. al. never questioned or challenged such pre-emptive action against an innocent nation totally unconnected to 9/11, despite such clear facts as:

Reason 1: Iraq did not attack the US; fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi Arabian while the other four were from the UAE, Egypt, Yemen. They learned to fly here in the States (Florida, Arizona). Bin Laden was also Saudi!

Reason 2: Iraq had been under horrific UN sanctions since the first Bush war on Iraq in 1991; so how could it have morphed into an imminent threat to the US in 2002 when IWR was being peddled

Reason 3: W's administration introduced IWR and demanded a vote on it right before the 2002 midterm elections. Why... because PNAC/the Bush cabal and Carlyle group had their eyes on carving up Iraq's oil fields.

Reason 4: the Bush cabal STOLE the White House in 2000 because of those PNAC plans. Then, they ignored all the warnings/chatter leading up to 9/11 including the August 6th PDB. They alleged they were blindsided and could not have foreseen such an attack. But that flew in the face of the fact that the airspace had to be closed around the G-8 summit in Genoa, Italy in July 2001 precisely because of terrorists' threats to fly planes into buildings!

Reason 5: Anyone who knew history, knew that Reagan sold WMDs to Saddam/Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war (recall the photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand). So when Cheney took to the airwaves in 2002 talking about WMDs and said he knew where they were and how they'd been used against the Kurds, he was telling the truth... about 1988. He was using his dirty past to foment a new war for oil

Reason 6: the Bush cabal withdrew the weapons inspectors because they were not finding anything. Scott Ritter (who was smeared) and his fellow inspectors' findings would not/did not conform to the desired Bush narrative, so Colin Bowel sold his soul and did his 'tube' presentation to the UN

less contempt than the Koch Bros. bought and paid for DLC?

Through all of these years of failed policies, there was
Bernie Sanders warning us..

You can find videos of Bernie Sanders, trying to stop 30 years
of awful decisions..

(9/30/1993)"Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) delivers a blistering speech denouncing the pending NAFTA trade legislation, outlining the potential suppression on the economy, wages, and labor rights in the US. Sanders argues that NAFTA is good for the banks and corporate interests, but terrible for American workers."


[10/13/1993] "Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) rejects the pending NAFTA trade legislation, arguing that it will greatly accelerate the already occuring trend of manufacturing job losses and wage suppression."


(4/5/1995)"Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) fiercely denounces the economics of a recent tax cut proposal that continues the Reaganomics vision of favoring high income earners and corporations with tax loopholes and lowered rates while cutting federal social service programs."

You can find a video of Bernie Sanders trying to stop-30 years of awful decisions
http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4538389/bernie-sanders-single-payer-healthcare

At the time, he was important because he was a Dem who won the presidency after 12 years-- 3 bad elections