The worst thing about Bernie, is that he can't do math where the environment is concerned.

Yesterday, climate scientist Jim Hansen called him out on his effort to destroy the planet's atmosphere by even more wishful thinking.

We're proud of Ms. Clinton, and the self absorption of the Sanders crowd is the only thing that allows them to project their own confusion on to the world at large.

of HRC? Then that must mean you're proud of her IWR vote despite all the reasons it was unjustifiable and remains unspinnable:

Reason 1: Iraq did not attack the US; fifteen of the nineteen hijackers as well as Osama bin Laden were Saudis while the other four were from the UAE, Egypt, Yemen. They learned to fly here in the States (Florida, Arizona), not Iraq

Reason 2: Iraq had been under horrific UN sanctions since the first Bush war on Iraq in 1991; so how could it have morphed into an imminent threat to the US in 2002 when IWR was being peddled

Reason 3: W's administration introduced IWR and demanded a vote on it right before the 2002 midterm elections. Wise men and women questioned the timing and the rush, but not those who voted aye... they had their eyes on being POTUS and cast calculating votes that reeked of political and moral cowardice.

Reason 4: Anyone who was paying attention knew about PNAC and therefore knew how the Bush cabal and Carlyle group had their eyes on carving up Iraq's oil fields. Clinton sure knew because the signers of PNAC policy papers wrote Bill seeking pre-emptive action while he was POTUS.

Reason 5: the Bush cabal STOLE the White House in 2000 because they had their PNAC plans. Then, they ignored all the warnings/chatter leading up to 9/11 including the August 6th PDB. They allege they were blindsided and could not have foreseen such an attack. But that flies in the face of the fact that the airspace had to be closed around the G-8 summit in Genoa, Italy in July 2001 precisely because of terrorists' threats to fly planes into buildings! So therefore, why would any sentient 'leader' of the opposition party trust or "have good faith" in ANYTHING proposed by W

Reason 6: Anyone who knew history, knew that Reagan sold WMDs to Saddam/Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war (recall the photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand). So when Cheney took to the airwaves in 2002 talking about WMDs and said he knew where they were and how they'd been used against the Kurds, he was telling the truth... about 1988. He was using his dirty past to foment a new war for oil

Reason 7: the Bush cabal withdrew the weapons inspectors because they were not finding anything. Scott Ritter (who was smeared) and his fellow inspectors' findings would not/did not conform to the desired Bush narrative, so Colin Bowel sold his soul and did his 'tube' presentation to the UN

Reason 8: Citing the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, Robert Byrd gave an eloquent and passionate speech about lies that lead to war, about the waste of war, about the unintended consequences of war... and he challenged the rush to war. Bob Graham (who actually read the documents available to Congress) and Ted Kennedy spoke as well. Why didn't HRC listen to them rather than Bush or Cheney? No, she gave Bush bipartisan cover with her aye vote, and so she has blood on her hands, too!

Clearly the rationale for IWR was all a LIE, and if millions of citizens could see all this THEN, why not Clinton?! She voted aye, ran for POTUS in 2008 and lost in large measure because of that vote. Votes have consequences and there is no apology large enough to cover a cowardly, finger-in-the-wind vote that has caused so much death, debt, destruction and destabilization (ISIS)!

You're proud that as NY Senator she also voted for the Patriot Acts 1 & 2 and the Bankruptcy Bill.

You're proud of her abysmal management and nasty conduct during the 2008 primary campaign. She had the money, she had the name, she was entitled, she was "in it to win it" and so arrogant that she claimed it would be over by Super Tuesday. But when it wasn't and she was losing, she resorted to the gutter. She praised McCain and derided Obama as someone who only gave pretty speeches. And when the Party urged her to bow out gracefully, she said that she was going to stay in the race through the CA primary because "you never know... remember Bobby Kennedy..." Her insinuation (a veiled wish?) that Obama might be assassinated like RFK was beyond classless and tasteless. It was evil (google Keith Olbermann on that atrocity). And when she finally, gracelessly bowed out, she did so on condition that the Obama organization and DNC pay off her campaign debt. Some management skills, just like her Wall Street benefactors who screw things up, then expect others to pay for the disaster they created.

You're proud of her Honduras regime change which led many men, women and children -- some alone and as young as 5 -- to flee the disaster that nation subsequently became. Same with Libya and Syria. HRC, the consummate pro-MIC corporatist, never saw a war she didn't like. Also at State, she was the arms dealer extraordinaire selling weapons all over the Middle East, especially to Saudi Arabia (again, home of bin laden and most of the 9/11 hijackers) while the Saudis and other recipients donated to that slush fund known as the Clinton Foundation.

You're proud of the Clinton legacy (the two for one, the 8 years of reflected experience derived from Bill). She helped found the DLC and fully supported: NAFTA, the Telecommunications Bill of 1996, Welfare Reform (not), and overturning Glass-Steagall. She and Bill kept Alan Greenspan at the Fed, placed the then Mr. Goldman Sucks himself Robert Reuben as head of Treasury and hired as financial advisor that abominable Wall Streeter Larry Summers (who as University president lost a $1.8 billion from Harvard's endowment!). This Clinton triumvirate wrecked the economy for main street, but saved Wall Street, especially Goldman-Sachs which has subsequently paid her handsomely. And as DUer tularetom once said: "They didn't pay her that kind of money because of her oratorical skills, her charismatic personality or her insight into current events. She has none of the first two and very little of the third."

You're proud of her support for: TPP, Keystone XL Pipeline, for profit Prisons, Monsanto poisoning the earth with glyphosphate, fracking...

What a legacy!

Well done.

She's got this.

It's my biggest issue, period.

I will simply repeat one of my earlier posts, addressing why no one, absolutely no one should vote for Bernie Sanders:

name: Nadir -- lowest point, lowest level, all time low.

And BTW, what you call tripe is truth... deal with it!

In general, having never opened science books in their lives, many people spewing ersatz "truths" about the environment are very, very, very, very, very poorly educated, completely uneducated on scientific subjects.

If once cares about climate, and climate change, and has, in fact, opened lots of science books and papers, one avoids Sanders like the plague he is.

My screen name derives from another "progressive" hero in 2000, who was just as vicious in demonizing the Democratic candidate in 2000. It was, originally, on another website, NaderNadir.

I shortened it so as to avoid looking at that "progressive" Pig's name, Nader.

The result of this Democrat bashing, Bush = Gore is that many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis lost their lives while the "progressive hero" was out protesting NBA officiating.

Heckuva job.

More than a decade later, and hundreds of thousands of dead later, we're back where we started.

I have very little tolerance for this type. They are useless and pernicious, and as the many tens of thousands of dead Iraqis - human beings all - might testify, were they still alive, very, very, very, very, very dangerous.

Have a nice afternoon.

He accepted Bush's Petition for Writ of Certiori. That NEVER should have happened. It was a purely political decision. And Bush became an appointed president.

...while tens of thousands of Iraqis faced execution by aircraft, because he had nothing to do with the events transpiring. Nothing at all. Since he knew Bush and Gore were the same person, he's perfectly sure that Al Gore would have allowed the attack on the WTC, and then went off to Iraq to help his alter ego George work out his Oedipal nightmare.

All his bad mouthing of the Democratic Nominee, claiming that Gore was the same as Bush, and just next to Satan had nothing to do with it.

No one in Florida was convinced by this rhetoric, no one at all, which was why it was perfectly OK to turn the election over to a Supreme Court headed by a dope fiend named Rehnquist, a self righteous pervert named Clarence, and a medieval inquisitor named Antonin, Sandy and a wimp named Tony.

The little whiny so called "progressives," that fat lump of shit Michael Moore, Texas mouth, Molly Ivins, etc, etc were so devoted to preventing a worthless ex-bar fly named George Bush from becoming President, that um, a worthless ex-bar fly with a penchant for executing people (and scaling up the executions) became um, President.

And of course, Bernie Sanders, tiresome fool that he is, is not bad mouthing the person who will win the nomination today.

I don't buy any of the above bullshit. It's bullshit, pure and simple.

One thing that I notice, year after year, time after time, about so called "progressives," many of whom are bourgeois assholes with their heads up their butts, is that nothing is ever their fault, since they are perfectly aware that they are perfect.

Have a nice day tomorrow.

and leaving Americans to freeze in the winter or burn coal.

So that her pals can make big bucks and real estate developers can evict whole neighborhoods (perhaps millions of people in cities and older suburbs) because their buildings are too expensive to heat.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

They never used it before; they are using it now.

Sanders applauded this outcome in Vermont; he called for it in New York.

This actual result is far more telling than all kinds of crazy ass speculations that Ms. Clinton will leave Americans freezing to death.

Apparently the Sanders squad has so lost its mind because of its crashing and burning, that it now declares that Ms. Clinton has a 666 secretly tattoed on her head and is actually the anti-christ.

I'm not into religious speculations; I am invested in something called "reality." The reality is that Vermont is now dependent on natural gas for its electricity, something it, and it alone among the states, avoided for many decades until Sanders like people stepped in.

No informed environmentalist can stomach this man, and none should.

Have a nice day.

that means use it up faster, and leave Americans without an affordable source of energy.

The most conservative estimate I have heard of the cost increase to consumers is 160% so more than doubling.

Tens of thousands or perhaps even hundreds of thousands of largely urban apartment buildings will likely be torn down and urban communities will be razed to build housing which will rent for market rate.

Rent stabilization ties an affordable rent to the CPI. CPI and a single apartment. new apartment building=new apartment and new starting rent.

...CTL.

His environmental policies, have not engaged CTL, and in fact, have been quite wise, in particular under the guidance of former Secretary of Energy Chu.

It is very disingenuous of Sanders supporters to pretend their candidate is against dangerous natural gas, when the policies he endorses and wishes to extend to the nation and the world, have made his state - which previously was the only state in the Union to not use dangerous fossil fuels for generating electricity - into a state dependent on dangerous natural gas, in particular fracked gas, for its electricity.

I'm a scientist, not a filler out of check boxes. I have spent the last 30 years of my life closely reviewing environmental and energy in the primary scientific literature.

Sanders policies are a disaster, because they posit that so called "renewable energy" - already an expensive failure of grotesque magnitude - is an answer to climate change. It wasn't; it isn't; it won't be. The rate of carbon dioxide increases are now raising dramatically, it's terrifying, this after 2 trillion dollars was "invested" in so called "renewable energy," which is neither renewable nor sustainable. 2015 was the worst year ever observed for increases in CO2; 2016 is clearly looking to be dramatically worse.

The only solution to climate change is the industry Sanders wishes to shut, the nuclear industry.

Sanders is using rote 30 year old tiresome rhetoric to address one of the most important issues of our time.

I am really, really, really, really tired of people who whine about fracking, while not understanding a damned thing about what must be done to stop it.

I would suggest that these kind of people really ought to get even a low level scientific education before opening their mouths.

Have a nice afternoon.

Explains it.

Please provide a link to where Bernie "endorsed" natural gas.

--imm

...if stating facts is seen as arrogance and condescension, I also can't help you.

Sanders lost. I'm happy about it, since I consider the far superior candidate, on the issue I care most about, climate change, won.

Are your "facts" the same ones you can't provide a link to?

Ah, if only self importance were admirable.

--imm

Try coming up with something new. She voted, he helped pay for the wars. That's all I need to know.

True HRC supporter: limited knowledge and willfull blindness

I've had enough.

recognize the Goldwater in your girl HRC. Again, willfull blindness

Bye, bye... you're not worth any further responses

I had never seen this until reading your post above. OMG...she has no class at all.

Thank you for the great post!


Keith Olbermann’s “Special Comment” about Hillary Clinton invoking Bobby Kennedy’s assassination
John Aravosis

Here is the entire text of Keith’s comment:

Finally tonight as promised, a Special Comment on Senator Clinton’s “assassination” remark to the editorial board of the Argus-Leader newspaper of Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

Once again, it was this:

Asked if her continuing fight for the nomination against Senator Obama hurts the Democratic party, she replied, quote… “I don’t. Because again, I’ve been around long enough. You know, my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in **June** in California. You know, I just don’t understand it. You know, there’s lots of speculation about why it is. “

Sanders brings up the Iraq vote constantly, ("bad judgment&quot yet Biden voted for it, Kerry voted for it, and so did John Edwards. In 2004 when Kerry and Edwards ran on the presidential ticket, Sanders supported and campaigned for them, despite their vote. Eventually, Joe Biden became Obama's Vice President, Clinton became his Secretary of State, as did John Kerry. While Sanders could get pass Kerry & Edwards vote, and Biden's vote, he just can't get passed Hillary's vote. Makes one wonder. Sexism? Politics? Whatever, at times it seems a bit insincere.

Something else that's interesting...Sanders supported Bill Clinton’s war on Serbia, voted for the 2001 Authorization Unilateral Military Force Against Terrorists (AUMF), which pretty much allowed Bush to wage war wherever he wanted, backed Obama in Libya and supports an expanded US role in the Syrian Civil War.

While Sanders talks about the evils of "big" money, he took $10,000 from the Hillary PAC in 2006 for his re-election campaign. He also took money from Oil & Coal. He also voted for the 1994 crime bill, against the Brady Bill and for the 2005 law giving broad federal immunity to gun manufacturers.

Whatever it is, it's unfortunate we have our candidates battling against each, and it's gotten so nasty, because there is too much at stake in this election. I don't understand Sanders position or his supporters on whether or not they will support her, should she get the nod. She did it for Obama when she lost to him, I think she understood the need to get the party unified. Not sure Sanders supporters understand that either....throwing dollar bills at Hillary at a George Clooney fundraiser...the money raised goes to helping other Democrats with their election...so what was the purpose?

I don't think like Susan Sarandon, who by the way, was a big supporter of Ralph Nader....Yeah...there was no difference between Gore and Bush...well we all saw how that worked out. She also was very big on supporting John Edwards for President....enough said. I'm voting blue comes November, I don't care if its Clinton or Sanders. One of my biggest worries is the Supreme Court, that cannot, that must not, be left to the Republicans to choose our next judges.

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he was way ahead of the curve and got practically all of the big issues right, unlike the others.

In the light of history, he had the best platform in 2000.

Sorry.

means-testing Social Security, and is open to adding restrictions on abortions. And too bad on crushing student debt. Things like that.

Right now. This minute. This is her platform.

Nothing you bring up makes that any more palatable, and none of those things are what an actual Democrat would support.
I see you are brand new - but your "arguments" are old and rehashed and not relevant. Certainly nothing that would make a supporter of what Bernie stands for overcome their gag reflex and support Hillary.

It is what Bernie stands for that is important here. Nothing else.

I can always spot a good fallacy when I see one.

--imm

Jimmy has facts at his finger tips, and facts don't lie.
Thanks for this, BigBearJohn.