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I know that this will probably be alerted on and maybe hidden, but this is why people cannot/will not vote for Hillary.
When the pro Hillary woman comes on and insults both Bernie and his supporters by saying that he is simplistic, it puts people off of Hillary more.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Hint: "I REALLY want to be the first woman President, so vote for me" is not an olive branch.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)can go to hell?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)harm American women and minorities, yes or no?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Most people will get help when they have cancer. But, if a friend poisons them they won't even suspect they have a fight on their hands.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Your enemies are in your own minds.
2naSalit
(86,765 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)to control her own body.
So what was your point again?
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Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)But it makes for a nice false headline for the skimmers to read. I guess you count on low information people who don't bother to read, like Faux News does. But then maybe you didn't bother to read either. It's either you purposely lying about what I said or you didn't bother to read it.
What a great way of reaching out you have there. I'm sure you'll get tons of Sanders supporters to vote for Hillary should the need arise.
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Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)With single payer health care there would be a greatly reduced need for Planned Parenthood. But you should have known that if you did your homework about the candidates, their proposals, and the consequences of the proposals.
In short, Planned Parenthood doesn't think Hillary would be better for us, Planned Parenthood thinks Hillary would be better for Planned Parenthood. Big, big, difference.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I hope all the centrist party people here apologize later for ruining a once in a lifetime chance to actually change things. Their argument before was ALWAYS electability. That was disproven but they still cling to nominating someone selfish and self-entitled that sold out long ago. When we enter another war and preserve the war on the 99% at home and they see nothing has changed we will expect an apology then.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)corporate candidate down our throats at a time when the people of this country are ready to fight TPTB and get back to a real democracy that is of, by and FOR the PEOPLE.
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billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Hillary's buddy Bush Sr was forced onto the Reagan 1980 Tik to eliminate bad feelings from a harsh campaign. Or really more because Bush Sr was CIA and would kill Ronny if he didnt play ball. Nothing has changed.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)He wouldn't be able to continue the fight as VP. And he would be perceived as a sell out, which is why I believe he would never in a million years take the position. And Hillary would never offer it in a brazillion years.
And I was going to edit my post above to add that even if Hillary makes it to the GE and wins, it will still be her supporters fault for stalling the people's fight for equality. And all the bad decisions and policy that Hillary will bring will be on them.
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RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)If one person in the White House can do so much damage to American women and minorities, and we can't ameliorate that damage both by active and aggressive opposition and by spending time, energy, and money, for those of us who can spare some, then the Republic may already be lost.
I decided a long time ago, well before Bernie declared his candidacy, that I could not cast a vote to help Hillary Clinton become President of the United States. There are a good many lifelong Democrats who find themselves in this position, and we haven't been evasive or unclear about it. Does it make sense that, should Clinton become the nominee, we now are the ones who must get in line and vote in a way that we believe to be fundamentally wrong? We haven't been the slightest bit vague, and now we are being lectured on how sticking to our positions means voting for someone like Donald Trump?
Nope - the opposite is true. It's long past time for the Hillary Clinton's campaign to grow up and face the reality that a great many citizens of the United States see it for what it is - a long-term collaboration between wealthy investors and skilled sculptors of public imagery. It's unaccountable to anyone but its own participants, and they are fully prepared to make the most of the opportunities afforded them should we simply hand them what they've been after for so long.
Ask yourself one question. Does it make any sense at all to accept a permanent condition where it simply does not matter what agendas Democratic candidates bring to office because the Republican alternatives appear so much horribly worse? What that would mean (and has meant), is, that regardless of a Democratic candidate's overall likely agenda, if that candidate can simply say that she/he is against racism, sexism, and homophobia, the criteria for voting for the candidate is satisfied. We just have to get OK with the rapid erosion of other (former, it seems) key principles of our party.
Where does that end? Does it ever? Do we simply stop pretending and officially grant the power to nominate all political candidates to the top 500 business interests in the United States, foreign and domestic? Proportional representation that shifts based on the past 4 years' stock values? Sound ridiculous? It isn't. We're getting closer all of the time, and the likely Democratic nominee for the office of the Presidency and her husband are major players.
That is what's really at stake here. And if you think women and minorities will benefit in any way from a future tipping toward corporate hegemony, you need to look further than the next 4 or 8 years. Well... maybe not much further, given what's in motion.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)agreed!
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Words in wish I had the skill to articulate. Thank you.
oregonjen
(3,339 posts)This right here...
"I decided a long time ago, well before Bernie declared his candidacy, that I could not cast a vote to help Hillary Clinton become President of the United States. There are a good many lifelong Democrats who find themselves in this position, and we haven't been evasive or unclear about it. Does it make sense that, should Clinton become the nominee, we now are the ones who must get in line and vote in a way that we believe to be fundamentally wrong? We haven't been the slightest bit vague, and now we are being lectured on how sticking to our positions means voting for someone like Donald Trump?
Nope - the opposite is true. It's long past time for the Hillary Clinton's campaign to grow up and face the reality that a great many citizens of the United States see it for what it is - a long-term collaboration between wealthy investors and skilled sculptors of public imagery. It's unaccountable to anyone but its own participants, and they are fully prepared to make the most of the opportunities afforded them should we simply hand them what they've been after for so long."
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)I dislike and disagree with conservative policy but you are acting like they are Vampires or Orcs out of Mordor sitting in some evil castle plotting dark and evil shit, twirling their evil mustache and laughing maniacally as they ponder their dark satanic schemes.
That is so cartoonish that I laugh at anyone who literally thinks in such stark black and white terms.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)the increase in jobless, homeless, poverty, hunger, water-air-land-ocean pollution/toxicity, skyrocketing incarceration of people of color, frankenfoods, skyrocketing costs of medical care and prescriptions, citizens united, disenfranchising working class and voters of color, corporations with more rights and protections written into law than for citizens, .... et al
merrily
(45,251 posts)You personal comments are presumptuous and lame. If personal comments that you make up are all you've got, you should stop embarrassing yourself.
FYI: If the headline says she's offering an olive branch, I have every right to ask what olive branch she is offering or whether the headline is usual media bullshit.
BTW, Solid Bernie Supporter, do you want to link to a post of mine saying any of the words you've been trying to put in my mouth for weeks?
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)would even for one second hesitate voting for the Democrat, then why are you arguing with me?
merrily
(45,251 posts)with how I vote?
Please try much harder to make posts that are honest and logical.
Any link yet?
shakedown1970
(64 posts)We will not vote for her because she is a corrupt warhawk. She is the enemy in disguise. What do you not get about this? We are done with corruption, corporate dominance, kissing Wall Street's ring, and politicians who are in it for their own enrichment and glory. Not to mention she has the lowest favorability ratings of any democratic nominee ever because of the things I just named. Grow up and stop voting for a team and vote for the end of this corrupt system.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)snort
(2,334 posts)I'm not voting for more of the same. I know how to not vote as well. I'm not fond of my own position, but it is what I must do. She has taken money from the very same set of characters that led to my street being peppered with foreclosures and my family losing their home, on a 20 year old loan, because of the massive fraudulent fuck-a-roo, which her pandering has tacitly stated that she's all for it. SHE TOOK THE MONEY. She didn't have to do that. It is an abuse of power and potential.
It is time for a major shift in the way this country operates. Right now there is no Democracy here. I agree with President Carter: It's an Oligarchy.
merrily
(45,251 posts)That should have said "Your personal comments," not "You personal comments."
You just replied to me on another thread. Are you following me around the board now?
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Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)I won't apologize and you can't shame me. I don't want anybody to "go to hell" as I don't believe in fairy tales. People will vote their conscience in November. I know I will!
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Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)My guy isnt winning so there.
I showed you other guys.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Our Dove weather vane is a swell-bodied figure with outspread wings, and an olive branch in its beak.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)I quite agree...
on edit: Kinda looks like Lloyd Blankfein off to a meeting with HRC...
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)ozone_man
(4,825 posts)and Hillary's.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Or even if they had covered both of them fairly? WOW!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)TekGryphon
(430 posts)... progressive movement.
I don't give a flying f*** about Hillary. Hillary will smash Trump regardless.
But there's THOUSANDS of down-ticket progressives struggling against conservatives in races across the country. THAT'S the Progressive Movement.
I want to see if Bernie can leverage his national fame to generate turnout and money for those down-ticket progressives.
Or if he abandons the movement the moment he realizes his face isn't going to be on the poster, the way so many of his first-time progressive followers are threatening to do.
djean111
(14,255 posts)does not like to support them. Down here in Florida, DWS will let a GOP crony run unchallenged, rather than support a progressive. She will openly campaign for GOP buddies. DNC needs to clean its own reeking tent.
Bernie sends us lists of down-ticket progressives that we can directly contribute to. Or tells which Progressive he will split a contribution with. DWS takes money and washes it right into Hillary's campaign fund. See the problem? And if you believe that progressives should only be supported by Bernie and his supporters - then what the fuck do we need the DNC for anyway? To funnel money to Hillary? To be used against Bernie? Fuck that.
In addition, no one progressive or liberal believes anything Hillary and the DNC would offer, anyway. Hillary was clear in her contempt.
I am sure Bernie will somehow manage to keep going, as will we all, in spite of your disapproval.
merrily
(45,251 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)What is simplistic is when HRC surrogates, and the candidate herself, dismiss truly progressive positions as unattainable because they are too radical, or not realistic.
Recommended.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)them = the powers that be, ie., the fascists.
appalachiablue
(41,168 posts)about overused spin and talking points, as in simplistic. When Nia-Malika Henderson, CNN senior political reporter said Sanders spoke on a ninth grade level with a smirk after election wins a month ago that was rotten and she knew it. Yawn.
There are scores of programmed young women who speak and appear the same way, in the Belly of the Beast/DC. Just how it is.
TekGryphon
(430 posts)If Sanders is willing to get out there and use his national fame to drive energy and money towards progressive down-ticket candidates, then I will consider him a "true progressive".
As of right now, though, he has not done that. Everything he has done has been for himself. Let's see if that changes.
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)Get you a long way in Trump World.
Good luck, and thanks for being so onsiderate of the rest of us.
xloadiex
(628 posts)on the rest of us.
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)I will be making the exact same choice that you all will have.
I'm just not stupid or too proud
Trajan
(19,089 posts)More like a hickory branch ....
Um ... Hillary? ... Go to _________ ....
surrealAmerican
(11,363 posts)I like this young woman - she's smart and she knows what she's about.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)too little, too late. Would not accept anything from such a dishonest person. Hillary sucks.
MattP
(3,304 posts)Because Bernie is more progressive than Hillary even the movement is called Bernie or Bust, Bust the country cause I didn't get my way
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)presidency, better get on board the Bernie bus because we are all super irresponsible politically naive young fools who just can't be trusted to understand how much Her Majesty would benefit the world.
on all the insults Hillary supporters have been throwing
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Awesome on her!
dana_b
(11,546 posts)especially when she mentioned the Honduras and Haiti. The pro Hillary woman didn't even respond to that.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)this woman had to sit and hear the word SIMPLISTIC?
Why don't HRC people think they have to be respectful to potential supporters? I find it very disturbing.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)so why treat us as intelligent, equals?
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)how can they get elected? Magic machines?
dana_b
(11,546 posts)It's how she has on much of this primary. Az, NY, Il in particular. Disenfranchising voters by purging them off of the voter rolls.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)confident enough to insult vast swaths of the population before all the votes were in? This is a tell, even President Obama kept up the rhetoric all the way to the nomination.
What kind of campaign strategy insults and mocks the people they wish to vote for them? Even Republicans kiss up to their constituency, Third Way members in no way match Independents, Greens, Democratic Socialists numbers. It's the math.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)n/t
Skink
(10,122 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)I completely agree with the Sanders' supporter...HRH has lied about almost everything...but her laughter when discussing the disaster of Libya was one of the many things she did to lose any support I may have given her...Her entire history is filled with disaster after disaster...
underpants
(182,868 posts)It HAS to be "won't vote Hillary". Pure media drama making.
LuvLoogie
(7,021 posts)They'll ride that gravy train for the next 8 years.
They're only too happy to stir the pot while Hillary drinks your milkshake.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)is a thing that just happens in a vacuum, with no other effects or consequences. It is not. Anyone who pretends otherwise is in deep denial. And anyone who thinks there would be no real difference between a Trump and a Clinton presidency either hasn't been paying attention or is certifiable.
And how do you reconcile your tag line with Sanders' own statement that Hillary Clinton on her worst day is still a thousand times better than any Republican?
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...but to Dr. Jill Stein, who, by the way, is most definitely not a war-loving, Kissinger-following, insincere liar?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Just change Trump to Sanders in your quote.
You all like to act like we should vote for Hillary as if it's no different than voting for Bernie, when in fact there's a big difference between the two. So Hillary supporters should ask themselves why they would want her to be nominated knowing she is so unacceptable to so many, particularly the independents she would need to win the GE should she get the nom. It's Hillary supporters who are playing with fire and breaking the Democratic Party. Time for the party to lose the Third Way corporate bullshit and get back to supporting people.
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skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Which is why I voted for Sanders in my primary. Were you making the unwarranted assumption that I'm a Clinton supporter?
That's not what this is about, though. This is about a Trump vs Clinton GE. If the choice for president is between one of those two (fantasy write-in campaigns not withstanding), that's not even a close call for anyone sane who cares about this country.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)This country has weathered lots of crazy Presidents and can weather another. Perhaps if Hillary losses the general election the democratic party will pick a stronger candidate next election cycle.
Some times people don't stop until they hit rock bottom. Trump would sure as hell be rock bottom.
Let me say this too. Hillary and Trump are friends. She went to his wedding. He supported the Clinton foundation so JUST how different to think it will be if you interchange either one for the other????
I know the old saying "birds of a feather flock together!"
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)if someone is a friend of mine, that all of THEIR friends are going to be so much like my friend that I won't see any difference, that's just silly, and completely at odds with the experience of any normal person.
How can any sane person have seen Trump's foreign policy speech and claim that he'd be just like Clinton?
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)They seem very friendly and chummy. I am not talking about friends of friend. They like each other clearly! Are you saying Hillary just chums about with the likes of Trump cause he is powerful or rich. I would buy that one!
I don't like Hillary's hawkishness anymore than I like Trump's buffoonery. He is not them person I would vote for in the general election and neither is Hillary and her pro war everywhere position!
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And that is why Democrats should be supporting Bernie. But they are blinded by something - poor information mostly and also identity politics and emotions - that they cannot allow themselves to pick the true and consistent liberal. Or they don't want a liberal. Either way, they are supporting the lesser candidate. The one who will compromise our health, our environment, our financial well being, our equality and even - as a woman - a woman's right to control her own body.
That is what is insane.
And personally, I will not vote for anyone who would do those things. Give me a person who is actually fighting for us and I'll vote for them. Until then I'll abstain or write someone in who I believe in. But anyone who supports a candidate who is not progressive who is running in what is supposed to be the left party of this country, who cannot get independents to vote for her, who has such an unlikability that the left will not vote for her, well anyone who supports that candidate and shoves her down our throat, they are the ones who will be to blame for not putting up a candidate that the people want to vote for.
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JGug1
(320 posts)At this point Bernie Sanders' chances of winning are slim and none. HOWEVER, in the unlikely event he pulls it off, I will happily vote for him. IF Hillary Clinton wins the nomination, as I fully expect her to, I will happily vote for her. People on this site who say they will NEVER vote for Hillary are making the choice to take a vote away from her. Will they not vote? Will they vote for the Republican nominee? Will they vote third party? Would they prefer a Republican, likely Trump, in the White House? GOOD LORD.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)media to adopt an anti-Hillary posture now that they're convinced she'll be the nominee. This is the first time I've ever seen a Sanders supporter invited to discuss why she doesn't like Hillary, and it won't be the last.
Republicans hate HRC. A good many Democrats don't much care for her either. If the mainstream corporate media decides to go after her, she'll have a tough uphill battle in the general. Not an enviable position to be in, but predictable when a political party decides to nominate a well known and equally well disliked person with a history of poor decision making and tons of baggage.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)And that's all that needs to be said.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)We'll leave that up to you guys.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Hillary supporters and the establishment are the ones pushing forth a flawed candidate that so many people despise and will never vote for. Why not push for Bernie? He doesn't not repel and repulse people the way Hillary does. He would easily win the GE. There is no reason for Democrats not to be happy to vote for Bernie in the GE and he will get a lot of independent votes that Hillary will never get. And he has grown the Democratic Party by getting people to join because they support him and want to vote for him. Hillary will make those people and more leave the party.
Support her at our country's peril. It will be Hillary supporters' fault if she is nominated and loses the GE.
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DrBulldog
(841 posts)The last exit poll of the 2008 primary season revealed that 54% of all Hillary supporters would NEVER VOTE FOR BARACH OBAMA.
LyndaG
(683 posts)Doubt it. They must've come around. Most people can't afford to be spiteful. Too much to lose.
zalinda
(5,621 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)most HRC backers did vote for Obama. Yes, there was a very small group of loudmouths who claimed otherwise, just like now.
On edit: to clarify, the ones who are claiming they won't for HRC if she wins are the loudmouths this time.
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)That's not on us, that's something she earned all on her own. Fair and square.
TM99
(8,352 posts)as to why. She gave specific events and policies. All the shill could do is say well it is the media's fault for picking on poor little Hillary.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)No, that's not true.
Bernie is an honest, sincere FDR democrat, who places country above himself.
Hillary, on the other hand, is a narcissistic, war-loving, Kissinger-following, corruption-prone, insincere liar. (I've probably left some things out).
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)The Sanders supporter was on point. Hillary has a history of poor decision making and can't be trusted. The talking heads can try spinning themselves into the ground, but it won't matter. The Dem Party establishment is bound and determined to nominate a weak candidate with huge vulnerabilities and high negatives. Good luck with that.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)your using a news source. or at least it used to be a News source. Right now get most of my news from outside the USA. and the Weather Channel and NOAA. But Her supporters are the reason Bernie made it this far.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)She is totally blinded by the light. I question her hearing too.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)...well, without getting upset.
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zalinda
(5,621 posts)both believe 'facts' not in evidence.
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frylock
(34,825 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)What a righteous interview that was. Damn.
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)Clinton will never get her vote or mine.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)She does and says things that allow us to question her ability to tell the truth. The media reports on it.
Landed under sniper fire....
I could make the list, but there's no point. I trust Hillary less than any other politician I've ever listened to or met.
It's just that simple. If you believe her, fine. That's your fault, not mine, not the media, not Bernie, not anyone else. She has proven again and again and again that she isn't a fibbing politician, but an outright liar.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Hillary yanked her credentials and alternate was put in her place.
Sanders would show great leadership if he said he wouldn't want the support of anyone who doesn't support the nominee.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Even with their support, Trump will lose.
Cary
(11,746 posts)Rather than being "turned off" because someone doesn't approve of Sanders' supporters' behavior.
I don't approve of Sanders' supporters' behavior either. Most of us don't. That doesn't mean I wouldn't vote for Sanders. I don't cut off my nose to spite my face.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Bwahahahahaha! Fail. All the olive branches from all the olive trees in the world won't camouflage the war and fracking and cluster bombs. I wish people would stop spouting that bullshit. it is insulting.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)all this time I thought it was her history,her aversion to the truth, her actions, and her shameless shape-shifting that made her a lousy candidate. But it turns out IT'S THE MEDIA'S FAULT!!!!!
READY TO SETTLE FOR HILLARY!!!!!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)and her fans' "Clinton or else" is another good motivator--that'll fill stadiums!
better than the CP
Andy823
(11,495 posts)If they are that damned stupid to sit on their ass and pout while Trump wins, then who cares.
If so many here hate Hillary this much why the hell do they stay here? The aren't going to change anyones minds and get more support for Bernie. All they do is make themselves look like selfish spoiled losers!
TM99
(8,352 posts)one response?
Want to call us more names? Shame us more? That is going to work so well when the progressive independents say fuck you to Hillary Clinton in November.
There is no unity or olive branch. There is just more blame games, insults, piss & vinegar. Good luck with that strategy on and off DU.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Masterful strategy they have going there...
Carni
(7,280 posts)I think it's the HRC groupies who are not using common sense. She's extremely unpopular with the general public and comes with lots and lots of baggage. She would have needed to run against someone with equal baggage and high disapproval ratings to win, Dick Cheney she could probably beat. Don't call people who don't buy her liberal shtick/act stupid, we're not the ones wearing blinders. She is *winning* in PRIMARIES in states without OPEN primaries. You people wanted her, good on you...you got her. Don't whine about it and blame people who saw the handwriting on the wall when she loses the general. She might be able to beat Cruz, you'd best hope he makes a miracle comeback if you want your neoconservative lite gal to win.
Ino
(3,366 posts)not someone who gets it right the first time!" I've heard that bit of "logic" here so many times, LOL.
jillan
(39,451 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I'm hoping her family will school her on why it is so IMPORTANT to the African American community for HRC to win. It would be devastating to #BlackPower #BlackWealth #BlackExcellence #BlackLegacy #BlackJustice if we do not have a DEMOCRAT in the White House and control of the Congress.
I'm hopeful. Once President Obama makes the case, she'll see the light. I think she's gonna do great things.
TM99
(8,352 posts)AA communities have suffered economic injustice and social injustice now under New Dems and Republicans. Sanders is the only candidate promoting economic justice and social justice for all including minority communities.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)That right there is a deal breaker. But more importantly, most #BlackWealth #BlackExcellence #BlackPower #BlackJustice #BlackInnovation #BlackGenius has come through the DEM party. At the same time, I understand. On the surface it makes sense to support Bernie. But Bernie is not tied to Black political power. And when the candidate surrounds himself with African Americans who have spewed some of the most vile rhetoric against PBO, the vast majority of the AA community is not gonna support him. It demonstrates a level of tonedeafness and stupidity that almost equals that of NAZI Trump.
Of course in a match-up between Bernie and NAZI Trump. Bernie would definitely have my vote.
TM99
(8,352 posts)He did not diss the 1st AA POTUS.
After Obama's Hope & Change was revealed to just be a marketing campaign and not a true progressive agenda he suggested that a primary challenge might push him back to the left. That was it. Nothing more and nothing less.
I am so sick of the god damn lies, distortions, half-truths, and rat-fuckery.
Hillary fucking Clinton was a racist in 2008 but hey she love y'all now!
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)I don't love HRC. I love the BLACK WEALTH, BLACK POWER and BLACK EXCELLENCE that has been created over the past 8 years thanks to the OBAMA administration. I had to get past my feelings about HRC to even support her. The Clintons helped to create a lot of BLACK POLITICAL POWER in the nineties which was why he was referred to as the first Black President. It has taken Obama coalition peeps like me a long time to get past what happened in 2008. But we had to put our feels aside and keep it moving. Bernie doesn't have any connection to the black power political power structure in the DEM party. We're not gonna give up the progress we've made to support some inexperienced less educated less politically connected 75 year old dude from lilyland Vermont.
I'm well educated so I'm not gonna vote for the least qualified candidate when I have a choice. Even though Bernie would be better than any GOP candidate, for the CA primary, I'm going with the MOST qualified candidate which is Hillary Clinton.
TM99
(8,352 posts)He actually had that discussion with Thom Hartmann.
No the Clinton's did not. They were bring superpredators to heel and you seem to confuse playing the saxophone on Arsenio Hall with black power when the Clinton's were actually Sister Soujah's instead.
That's ok. No community is monolithic and ours includes just as many willfully blind as there are whites or latinos.
That you use the word qualified and Clinton in the same sentence tells me all I need to know about your judgement.
yuiyoshida
(41,836 posts)and no, I will vote democratic ticket, but Hillary has already stated she doesn't need Sanders supporters votes, so that's cool with me. I will leave President blank.
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hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Their family wealth is estimated to be about $21 million. She has no idea what income inequality is.
http://www.businessinsider.com/meet-the-tischs-2012-5
TM99
(8,352 posts)New China Capital Management LLC.
http://www.cathay-capital.com/
She is a neoliberal completely out of touch with this young black woman's reality and experiences.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)B: "Here are some examples of her catastrophically BAD judgment and how it has ruined lives."
H: "She learned from those mistakes."
B: "I don't trust her."
H: "Yes, we know that and she's going to work on that because only stupid people don't trust her."
Wow. Talk about clueless! Worst. Candidate. Ever.
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)Their attitude was very similar: "If people don't want our bloated operating system and bloat-ware they are just stupid."
and then:
http://freebeacon.com/blog/for-the-clintons-a-corporate-love-affair-with-microsoft/
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)offering an olive branch, so she can fuck off. Not getting my vote.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It was clear from the narrative where they stood. And this is nothing new. CNN has taken an anti Bernie from the start. That is why I urge you to boycott CNN because of their inherent bias.
The young lady that spoke on behalf of Bernie did a wonderful job and she was exactly spot on.
LenaBaby61
(6,976 posts)In the fall, then so be it.
A person's vote is theirs and theirs ONLY, and nobody should be forced or bullied into doing something they don't want to do, and yes that means voting as well. Good luck to the young lady.
Now, there are Sanders supporters who will be voting for Hillary Clinton in the fall that I know personally and who many who I don't know. To them I say thank you, and I'll see you this November.
TekGryphon
(430 posts)So some first-time progressive who was politically apathetic prior to mid-2015 promises to go back to political apathy after mid-2016 because his or her special little pony candidate didn't win.
Who the fuck cares?
Bernie Sanders is not the Jesus Christ of the Progressive Movement. Neither is Hillary Clinton. The Progressive Movement is defined by the thousands upon thousands of town, city, county, and state elected officials who drive our Democracy forward.
These "My Pony or Bust" twats have never voted for a progressive in their life, and were never intending to do so again. They were here for an identity, a single person, and when that person lost, they're gone.
Fuck em. Their value to the Progressive Movement was 0 before, and it's 0 now.
Spend your time and energy on the people who recognize that the Progressive Movement exists beyond a single identity.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)presumptuous and arrogant.
Bye!
TekGryphon
(430 posts)... you fair-weather, sometimes, weekend-only progressives.
Boo-fucking-hoo your favorite pony lost a primary in 2016. In a year no one will even care.
There's a thousand progressives running for office that need our support. You "My Pony or Bust" kids will be as missed by the Progressive Movement as Nader voters were.
Bye!
djean111
(14,255 posts)On the other hand - you are representing the Hillary campaign very accurately. And, of course, no one gives a shit what you think, or follows your orders.
Send that message to Debbie Wasserman-DINO and Hillary.
TBF
(32,085 posts)just ask and I'm sure she'll confirm it.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Before either H. Clinton or Sanders had announced they were running there was much discussion here about splitting the vote.
And at the time, Sanders and non-Clinton supporters were assuring everyone here that they would back the nominee, if it was Hillary.
So it's threads like this that just confirms for me (and I'm for nominating Sanders) that a lot of that talk about backing the nominee if it was Hillary was a lot of BSing.