But it is what it is.

... but it ain't Democracy.

People voted, and a majority of those voters have determined the probable winner.

It could be made better. We could, for instance, get rid of caucuses and instead of delegates just count the votes.

You nailed it!

transportation or child care, the ill and infirm, the person who can't dedicate hours--an afternoon or evening--to the process of arguing about who is "best" -- in fact, I'd say caucuses are the most disenfranchising of all methods, and that's evidenced by how few, relative to the population of eligible voters, participate in them. They're geared for the "activist" or "protest" voter, not for the everyday voter. who votes before or after work, or on their lunch hour.

... if a primary isn't an election, WTF is it?

chooses who will be their standard bearer.

Parties could, if they wanted to, draw straws, or play a game of poker, to decide who should represent them.

Back in the old days, a bunch of portly white guys in fedoras smoking cigars used to make the pick in a back room.

:you go to the polls and vote. Each Party elects it's candidate for the general election.

You do know that there are people who end up on the Presidential ballot who don't go through any primary process at all, don't you?

And all those disenfranchising caucuses? Those aren't "elections" either.

They are just the way the party poicks it's nominee. There is no requirement that we get any say, and it's entirely the party's perview, so it isn't an election that you right to vote encompasses.

Don't forget your secret decoder ring there, CrowCity... Can't wait to here THIS!

is not an election. By extension, running a campaign which ends up in a vote for anything other than an election is not an election.

That is fucking ridiculous.

Do you even know what you said?

What kind of a response do you expect to garbage like this?

(must be a slow night)

So forgive me for ignoring your advice. I have no desire to have any further conversation with you.

Are you serious???? We supposedly live in a democracy but primaries aren't elections. Really? So we don't get to vote on who we want to be president?

You people have lost all your marbles ... and any credibility that went with them.

That's what the general election is for. The primary is the way parties pick their nominees. There is no established right to be included in that process.

And msongs has more cred on this site than someone who racked up the majority of their posts in the past few months.

Because that is what this is about.

Answer me this...

1) When were "super-delegates" created?

2) Which president was associated with their formation?

3) Did the actual Democratic Party have anything to do with it?


I've given you several hints as to what the answer is...

Nobody said it was easy to lose. The BS campaign needs to show more respect for others instead of throwing fits like old john McEnroe.

That's what I think of every time I hear McEnroe's name.

He used to love to yell at the line judges!! GRRRR!!! Then he'd throw the raquet!

He certainly did create interest in the sport of tennis (a sport that I always sucked at...! LOL).

Some examples of his pissed-offedness!

Many people have opposed it for decades.

There may be more going on here than disliking how this year's primary turned out.

Imagine what this country could be like had it been a REAL Democracy where one man/one vote rules. What we need to do is throw Party Politics out. George Washington himself advised against it in the beginning. Party Politics is the root of most of our evils. The way it is, everyone is at each others throats; families torn apart, unable to sit down and have a pleasant Thanksgiving dinner together. I'm sick of it. I think the Parties have been screwing us for a long, long, long, long time.

Thank you Jane Sanders for being honest and direct with the Press. The delegate and super-delegate system as well as the electoral college need to be 86ed before the next election, period. Ship all the voting computers back to the manufacturers and ask for a refund, because they don't work right. They cheat. They change votes right in front of people's eyes. They flip election totals. What would happen if ATM machines worked like that??? And don't even get me started on gerrymandering.

I hope. I hope that before I die that this country has an election system that is worthy of the hard working people who deserve an efficient, legal, honest ELECTION. We can not call ourselves "exceptional" until we do some serious house cleaning.

are important to them. You look at the party platform, and you figure out that the Democrats are a better bet than the Republicans or Libertarians or White Power Party.

"Cult of Personality" politics give you people like Stalin and Hitler. No thanks.

Good.

And it never has been. Americans have more say in the matter of who leads our country than China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc., but that's about it.

No wonder it's taking so long.

Fuck em!