I agree with you guys on most things but you were wrong then and you're wrong now.

I mean its only fair since you're "calling" for military action that you put your own ass on the line.

I'm sick and fucking tired of people who are willing to send other peoples sons and daughters and moms and dads into harms way to fight for other countries (or oil) while they sit back and pontificate on youtube from the comfort of their air conditioned house.

He didn't enlist when we were bombing, excuse me, I mean liberating, Libya.

I'd volunteer. We lost NO LIVES in Libya. There is little/no risk for us.
None. Nada. Zero. Zip. Nothin'. And in return we'd free an entire nation (almost something for nothing).
Liberating Libya (no more brutal genocidal dictator Gadhafi who sadly many Leftists on here seemed to support or at least admired) was a great idea, the right thing to do, you guys are on the wrong side of history again.
My grandfather was in Korea. He's told me stories about it. I don't push for anyone to go to war, I don't believe in wars of aggression. I do believe though that if people somewhere are being slaughtered by the THOUSANDS that we should intervene to stop it.
It's sad that you and your friend here choose not to agree.

It's still ongoing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011-2012_Libyan_inter-factional_fighting

But we've declared victory and gone home, right? That means we 'stopped it' huh?

We should've just let Gadhafi massacre perhaps over a million of his own people, huh?
Just like we let Bashir do in Darfur?
Your logic is so amazing. There's always gonna be violence. The thing is, you can never make an cake without breaking a few eggs, and I would trade a tiny bit of gang violence for the end of a bloody, near-genocidal civil war in that nation.
It's people like you, who let violence happen, that actually causes more death and violence, not people like me and FDR.

First of all, this was not a NATO issue. Nor was it a United States issue. The United Nations by all means, has peacekeeping capabilities, wherein the United States does not have to bear the brunt of the cost in dollars, and human misery. Dropping bombs, even upon a scumbag like Gaddafi, carries a human toll to the people doing the work, when some percentage of those bombs will, for example, certainly land upon entirely innocent children.

Human lives are not a 'few eggs'. That's a pretty vile dismissal.

'Tiny bit of gang violence', really, do you really believe the balance you have struck here, in how many people Gaddafi killed, or would have killed, against how many are dying, and being maimed right now? You seem to grossly exaggerate the problem, and grossly diminish the consequences of intervention.

Look, I KNOW you are not a republican, ok, I get that, but your foreign policy sounds an awful lot like the neo-cons. I wish you would reconsider it.

It would be nice if we could certainly make the world a better place without harming anyone, and at no cost, but that just isn't the way the world works.

I don't recall FDR sticking his nose in any civil wars.

Some of us live with the consequences of war every day. War is more than a video game, its more than dropping a few bombs and everyone is happy. In addition to the added death and devastation, this country is broke.

We can't afford to police the world when we can't even afford housing and medical treatment for all our own citizens. Listen I remember what it was like to be a young idealistic teenager that wanted to save everyone and everything in the world, I'm not blaming you for that or looking down my nose at you. But you have to realize that from the comfort of your parents basement things are a little less complicated than they are in real life.


If you're so eager to help I would hope you would be talking to a recruiter this morning because I'm not sure my brother can take a 5th deployment away from his wife and kids.

Look, I know what you're trying to say. My grandfather served in Korea. I don't want people to die, and if we do get involved in Syria then I think I'd be old enough to volunteer, and I would talk to a recruiter at least.
I'm not asking you to sacrifice your brother. I'm asking you to perhaps consider that extreme isolationist pacifism may not be the solution for this situation.
Have a nice day.