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NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:29 PM May 2016

Thomas Frank: What ever happened to the party of the people?



Author and Kansas City native son Thomas Frank returned to his hometown to talk about what's wrong with the Democratic Party in support of his new book 'Listen, Liberal'.

Following on the tradition of his popular book 'What's the Matter with Kansas' which carefully chronicled how the Republican Party of Lincoln has been seduced and deliberately taken over by extremist ideologues of the far right, Frank now makes the case that the Democratic Party has also been taken over by a type of conservative ideology that, while not promoting economic inequality, certainly rationalizes it.

While Republican "establishment" figures revere the accumulation of wealth as a sign of 'winning' which somehow makes them automatically somehow qualified --or entitled-- to govern, The Democratic "establishment" believes that the world is a 'meritocracy' where the elites of the 'professional class' are best suited to govern based on their superior educational attainment and connections.

Frank asserts that the two political parties dominated by societal elites have systemically failed the workers in America, resulting in a space for populism to naturally grow into.






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Thomas Frank: What ever happened to the party of the people? (Original Post) NorthCarolina May 2016 OP
The Third Way and the warmongers infiltrated it. It, as we know it, is gone. n/t djean111 May 2016 #1
I had not really been aware of how close Clinton got to privatizing Social Security. NorthCarolina May 2016 #3
And fate was a blue dress. What a joke of a presidency, in a way. n/t djean111 May 2016 #4
Some of what happened and continues. appalachiablue May 2016 #33
Will Hillary carry that same water? nt NorthCarolina May 2016 #36
According to some, affirmative. When that much money $ and favor is exchanged, appalachiablue May 2016 #38
I suspect given the NorthCarolina May 2016 #40
That would be advisable from their perspective. Thanks for posting Tommy's book appalachiablue May 2016 #41
Excellent post, thank you dreamnightwind May 2016 #42
For sure. Dismantling the landmark legislation the Democratic Party was all about, appalachiablue May 2016 #43
Yes, and I'm always afraid a corporate Democrat can get this done dreamnightwind May 2016 #47
'Katy Bar the Door!' DEM. SEN. MARK WARNER (VA) URGES RICH TO CHALLENGE POPULIST ANGER, May 2 appalachiablue May 2016 #48
Thx for spreading this around dreamnightwind May 2016 #50
This has been in the works for 20+ years and Warner sounds like Full Speed Ahead, appalachiablue May 2016 #53
Sold to the highest bidder nt abelenkpe May 2016 #2
book my next must read dembotoz May 2016 #5
Wonder who would win if only the 1% were voting for Trump jwirr May 2016 #6
Hillary. abelenkpe May 2016 #9
Oops I forgot that. To me it seems that both candidates are jwirr May 2016 #10
I understand abelenkpe May 2016 #11
extremely depressed today PADemD May 2016 #17
Don't know 10-1-41? Not idea if that was a Friday. jwirr May 2016 #18
It was a Wednesday. PADemD May 2016 #19
Interesting. I am seldom depressed but for some reason am jwirr May 2016 #20
The emotional cycle affects PADemD May 2016 #22
Do you have a link to more on this? Probably not a good day jwirr May 2016 #26
Please see my PM to you. PADemD May 2016 #27
Sorry to but in, made me think of the famous nursery rhyme, 'Monday's Child' appalachiablue May 2016 #46
Can buy the Clintons for cheap. Trump doesn't care, he always had money. Ikonoklast May 2016 #30
Charles Koch did, trying to look bipartisan, playing games- Sunday News show, ABC maybe. appalachiablue May 2016 #44
They realized we would vote for them no matter what? vi5 May 2016 #7
"They have no where else to go." abelenkpe May 2016 #8
This guy is a republican? passiveporcupine May 2016 #12
Frank: "There's no solidarity in a meritocracy." immoderate May 2016 #13
The banks foreclosed on it. Fuddnik May 2016 #14
He was interviewed on WNYC today on Leoonard Lopate's show dorkzilla May 2016 #15
Thanks Dork Z passiveporcupine May 2016 #23
He does! dorkzilla May 2016 #28
I'm not a fan of Frank at all... SylviaD May 2016 #16
Of course it turns you off, passiveporcupine May 2016 #24
Thanks for that. :( Very unnecessary. nt SylviaD May 2016 #51
if you find being exposes for "who you really are" offensive passiveporcupine May 2016 #52
Hillary is going to be the biggest disappointment in your life. Ikonoklast May 2016 #31
He did not provide any answers zeemike May 2016 #34
We need a central party Puppyjive May 2016 #21
Are we switching parties again? passiveporcupine May 2016 #25
Porcupine, not so passive this time. longship May 2016 #32
This is some of the best political analysis out there currently, in my opinion. highprincipleswork May 2016 #29
A very good analysis felix_numinous May 2016 #35
At the very end of his presentation NorthCarolina May 2016 #37
Yes felix_numinous May 2016 #39
The US had the No. 1 world's largest middle class until 2014 which the Democratic Party appalachiablue May 2016 #45
k and r nt Rebkeh May 2016 #49
 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
3. I had not really been aware of how close Clinton got to privatizing Social Security.
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:40 PM
May 2016

Scary. Glad fate intervened.

appalachiablue

(41,153 posts)
33. Some of what happened and continues.
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016


TYT Cenk explains in 2011 BILL CLINTON Whispering to PAUL RYAN About the election and CUTS TO MEDICARE at billionaire financier PETE PETERSON Conference. >Peterson, pictured with Clinton below, has been trying to get to the Social Security $2.3 Trillion Trust Fund for years. - Ryan now wants to end Obamacare protections for people with pre-existing conditions.





MEDICARE was enacted in 1965 during President Lyndon B. Johnson's Administration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)

Wiki: Peter George "PETE" PETERSON (Peter Petropoulos) (born June 5, 1926) is an American businessman, investment banker, fiscal conservative, philanthropist, and author, who served as United States Secretary of Commerce from February 29, 1972 to February 1, 1973. He is also known as founder and principal funder of The Peter G. Peterson Foundation, which he established in 2008 with a $1 billion endowment.
*The group focuses on raising public awareness about U.S. fiscal-sustainability issues related to FEDERAL DEFICITS, ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS, and TAX POLICIES. In recognition of his support, the influential Peterson Institute for International Economics was named in his honor in 2006.
Before serving as Secretary of Commerce, Peterson was Chairman and CEO of Bell & Howell, from 1963 to 1971. From 1973 to 1984 he was Chairman and CEO of Lehman Brothers. In 1985 he co-founded the private equity firm, the Blackstone Group, which went public in 2007. Peterson was Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations until retiring in 2007, after being named chairman emeritus. In 2008, Peterson was ranked 149th on the "Forbes 400 Richest Americans" with a net worth of $2.8 billion.
*Peterson has been named the most influential billionaire in U.S. politics.
On August 4, 2010, it was announced that he had signed "The Giving Pledge." He was one of 40 billionaires, led by Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, who agreed to give at least half their wealth to charity. Most of his giving has, however, been to his own foundation, dedicated to forwarding his political views rather than traditional charitable works.
More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027787543

appalachiablue

(41,153 posts)
38. According to some, affirmative. When that much money $ and favor is exchanged,
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:14 PM
May 2016

expectations and results are in play IMO.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
40. I suspect given the
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:23 PM
May 2016

Bernie phenomenon that TPTB will try to fast track all their pet projects like privatization during a Clinton term.

appalachiablue

(41,153 posts)
41. That would be advisable from their perspective. Thanks for posting Tommy's book
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:14 PM
May 2016

lecture again, it needs to be circulated widely!

appalachiablue

(41,153 posts)
43. For sure. Dismantling the landmark legislation the Democratic Party was all about,
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:42 PM
May 2016

FDR's Welfare 'reformed', broken down like the Social Safety net, unions, worker protections, democratic institutions.

You know Bill worked on privatizing Social Security in 1997 with Newt Gingrich at WH meetings, mentioned it at the State of the Union address in Jan. 1998, but then the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke. And Dubya almost succeeded with privatizing it on Wall Street too in 2005, I'm fairly certain. Wouldn't THAT have been something with the all the misery brought by 2008?

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
47. Yes, and I'm always afraid a corporate Democrat can get this done
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:15 AM
May 2016

The left doesn't fight back as hard against bad policies that are pushed by Democrats, so though our politicians are a little better than Republicans, they can sometimes do more harm.

appalachiablue

(41,153 posts)
48. 'Katy Bar the Door!' DEM. SEN. MARK WARNER (VA) URGES RICH TO CHALLENGE POPULIST ANGER, May 2
Sat May 7, 2016, 09:12 AM
May 2016

Truthdig, May 5, 2016. Democratic Sen. Mark Warner Urges the Rich to Challenge Populist Anger (Video)

On Monday, Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of VA Urged Business Elites to Be More Involved in Politics. Milken Institute Conference. .."We need Entitlement Reform, we need tax reform, it generates revenue."
Posted on May 5, 2016



Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of VA urges business elites, "we need ENTITLEMENT REFORM, we need TAX REFORM, it generates revenue. If you don't get engaged, you're turning the keys over to the extremes." May 1-4, Milken Institute 2016 Global Conference.
--
Democratic Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia called on an audience of business and political elites to respond to PUBLIC DISCONTENT by LOBBYING HARDER for the reduction of corporate taxes and the cutting of public programs like SOCIAL SECURITY. Warner spoke Monday at the Milken Institute’s 2016 Global Conference. The economic policy think tank gathers politicians, corporate executives and others annually. http://www.milkeninstitute.org/events/conferences/global-conference/2016/program-glance/date/2016-05-02

*Zaid Jilani writes at The Intercept:
Although a dominant populist sentiment is that the system is already rigged in favor of the rich, Warner suggested that the “business community” needs to get more involved in politics or face unpleasant repercussions.
“If you don’t think the frustration of Americans with our overall system — not just our political system, but our business system, our tax code — is at the boiling point, then KATY BAR THE DOOR!,” he said.
>“The walls that are gonna have to be built, may not be at borders, they may be around neighborhoods the way they are in many Third World countries around the world,” Warner warned. …
Warner’s panel on tax reform and the federal debt also includes Sen. David Perdue, R-Ga., Ernst & Young CEO Mark Weinberger, and Maya MacGuineas, who chairs the corporate-backed lobbying group Fix The Debt.
Warner bemoaned that his years of efforts to strike a congressional “GRAND BARGAIN” based on the Bowles-Simpson deficit reduction plan had resulted in failure. …

>Weinberger, for his part, complained that Congress is too responsive to the public. “In fact when I worked for [former Missouri Republican Senator] Jack Danforth many years ago, he had a great line. People think in Washington we’re so [disassociated], we’re so aloof, we’re so unconnected to the general public. Nothing could be further from the truth, quite frankly. And we want to do what they want us to do to get elected, in many cases.”
He continued: “The problem is when you have candidates on both sides of the aisle ATTACKING THE CORPORATE INSTITUTION as all greedy and rich … And all not paying their fair share … all the institutions lose trust.”

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/democratic_sen_mark_warner_urges_the_rich_to_20160505

Posted Today BY Cali, MORE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027812688

appalachiablue

(41,153 posts)
53. This has been in the works for 20+ years and Warner sounds like Full Speed Ahead,
Sat May 7, 2016, 07:28 PM
May 2016

a la Fast Track. Very disturbing especially trying to convey this to those unaware. For some it's too scary to hear, much less believe.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. Oops I forgot that. To me it seems that both candidates are
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

working for the 1% anyhow so why not let them decide? (NOTE) I am extremely depressed today and this just shows it.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
11. I understand
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

Sometimes I get these waves of depression where the dominate feeling is why bother? Wish I could help.

This was a great video. I'm definitely going to have to get the book.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
19. It was a Wednesday.
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:30 PM
May 2016

The 28-day emotional biorhythm cycle swings from critical to high to critical to low and back to critical on the day of your birth throughout your life.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
22. The emotional cycle affects
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:59 PM
May 2016

judgment, motivation, and mood.

Never shop on an emotionally critical day. You are likely to come home and ask yourself why you made that purchase.

An emotional eater who starts a diet on a critical or low day will struggle or fail.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
26. Do you have a link to more on this? Probably not a good day
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:11 PM
May 2016

to read it but would like to learn to deter it another time.

appalachiablue

(41,153 posts)
46. Sorry to but in, made me think of the famous nursery rhyme, 'Monday's Child'
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:04 PM
May 2016

MONDAY'S CHILD Lyrics
- Common modern versions include:

Monday's child is fair of face,
Tuesday's child is full of grace,
Wednesday's child is full of woe,
Thursday's child has far to go,
Friday's child is loving and giving,
Saturday's child works hard for a living,
But the child who is born on the Sabbath day
Is bonnie and blithe and good and gay.[1]

- Often some of the lines are switched as in:

Monday's child is fair of face,
Tuesday's child is full of grace,
Wednesday's child is full of woe,
Thursday's child has far to go,
Friday's child works hard for a living,
Saturday's child is loving and giving,
But the child who is born on the Sabbath day
Is fair and wise and good in every way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monday%27s_Child

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
30. Can buy the Clintons for cheap. Trump doesn't care, he always had money.
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:08 PM
May 2016

Clinton Foundation gets a bribe, you get the Clintons to do business on the taxpayer's dime.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
7. They realized we would vote for them no matter what?
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

They succeeded in making their threats work, realized they could continue getting away with it, and determined that we'd be happy with the few scraps they throw us along the way.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
8. "They have no where else to go."
Fri May 6, 2016, 02:08 PM
May 2016

This is why Democratic officials and candidates think it's ok to attack liberals and their own traditional supporters. They're not going to vote republican.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
12. This guy is a republican?
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

Wow, he gets it, and he's more liberal than Hillary and her supporters.

I think I want to read his book too. On my list it goes.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
15. He was interviewed on WNYC today on Leoonard Lopate's show
Fri May 6, 2016, 03:39 PM
May 2016

Very interesting material - talking about Clinton mostly and things like NAFTA, undoing Glass-Steagall and how he and Gingrich tried to privatize Social Security. At the end of the segment when Leonard said they were out of time, Frank said "but I'm just getting started!". It was funny.

Frank is VERY passionate about getting this message out.

The show should be uploaded to the site soon but there are many interesting segments if you care to peruse:

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/

SylviaD

(721 posts)
16. I'm not a fan of Frank at all...
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:06 PM
May 2016

To me there always seems to be something facile and flippant about his writing style. It just turns me off.

I've always been skeptical of these sorts of "gurus" who claim to have all the answers.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
52. if you find being exposes for "who you really are" offensive
Sat May 7, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

I think that suggests that maybe you are embarrassed about who I might mean.

Sorry, but sometimes the truth needs to be told and Thomas Frank is telling the truth. And so am I.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
31. Hillary is going to be the biggest disappointment in your life.
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

You are a tool to her, to be used to further her agenda of unbridled greed for power and wealth.


Better pick a small bus to get thrown under while Hillary is mentioning women and children.

Every time she does that it's misdirection covering her selling you out to her financial backers.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
34. He did not provide any answers
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:41 PM
May 2016

Only observations that were critical of the status quo.
And I would guess that is what made you feel like that.

Puppyjive

(503 posts)
21. We need a central party
Fri May 6, 2016, 04:40 PM
May 2016

Neither party has kept up with the needs of the middle class. They seem to represent more of the fringe any more. A new party that represents those in the middle could be the demise of the Dems and Republicans. How many congressional members are housewives, or factory workers or members of the working class? They don't represent us because they are not us. Most have moved into positions of power because they have money and lots of it. Well, I think we can all agree that money doesn't equal intelligence. We need fundamental changes in this country. We can give lots of money to countries like Israel who have universal healthcare, but we cannot provide it for the citizens of this country.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
25. Are we switching parties again?
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:09 PM
May 2016

Not for social reasons, but maybe for economical reasons. Maybe this means we need more parties to represent the people.

So let's sum this up.

Dems are no longer the party of the working class, but instead the highly educated professionals.

The world opens up for them. The time that you spend top at universities, defines you as an individual. Worth is established by achievement at graduate school. Meritocracy. The conviction that those at the top deserve their rewards because they are the best. Meritocracy is not a doctrine for mitigating inequality...this is a doctrine for rationalizing inequality.

Everyone gets what they deserve by how they did in school. You got straight A's..that's awesome...you're going to be doing really well. You didn't finish high school, you should be picking up cans on the side of the road.

There is no solidarity in a Meritocracy. It is the exact opposite idea. You didn't make the grade? Well too goddamn bad.

Our "left" party has chosen, over the last 30 years, to turn it's back on the working party and it's concerns, and make themselves into the tribune of the enlightened professional class...the creative class.

All of the rest of us...suck it baby.

longship

(40,416 posts)
32. Porcupine, not so passive this time.
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016

You get it.


Happy to support your post. (Summation)


And an R&K for a thoughtful thread.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
35. A very good analysis
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016

yet no mention of Sanders, as if he and millions of his supporters didn't exist. Perhaps he does in his book, haven't read it.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
37. At the very end of his presentation
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

he says "There is an alternative". It's pretty clear he was talking about Bernie even though he didn't mention him by name.

appalachiablue

(41,153 posts)
45. The US had the No. 1 world's largest middle class until 2014 which the Democratic Party
Fri May 6, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016

was so proud of as Tommy says. We can follow Canada and other countries' policies like universal health care, family leave and childcare, affordable college, bank regulation, strong employment. Why not, the money is there, so it's the will.

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