so little time

Im listening to him now live...he is going to bring up Hillary trying to shut up all of Bill's accusers over the years. The media may have ignored it in the past but they will cover it when Trump brings it up. Its gonna be TMZ and National Enquirer all day every day. Hillary supporters are fooling themselves...its amazing how blind they are to the show thats gonna happen. Stupid Stupid Stupid. We will make a HUGE mistake if we dont select Bernie.

delegate lead darn near split down the middle. Trump whizzed on by on his side. course now that he'll show his true Moderate colors we all ... er some of us know where this is going

you have to admit she is a lightening rod for scandal. Whether it's a right wing conspiracy scandal or an actual scandal, there are YEARS of scandal out there. I personally am not looking forward to living thru all of this again... plus the recent negative stories.
Sure, she's tough, sure, she's a fighter... but can WE survive even the explanations of her baggage? And if she wins---think the obstructionism is gonna go away? We can put our heads in the sand as long as we want... but it's out there, looming, big time.

So much baggage.

And a dinosaur from the 20th century.

She's so cumbersome and clunky.

Voted most untrustworthy.

The Clintons come off as shady, scheming, secretive, unscrupulous.... and not that good at it.

Just awful!

I can't stomach her lying anymore.

Hillary is more like Mondale and Dukakis. Bernie is more like FDR.

And why is she now courting Bush donors?

Your crass, snide, snobby attitude won't mean much then. At least you have military contractors on your side. That should help but it won't be enough. How you justify your allegiance I'll never guess. All I know is that your full of it.

in an international bidding process, via the Government Procurement Agreement. We will likely see millions of guest worker subcontractors get jobs in healthcare, teaching, IT, construction, even fields like law. We can't say no. We will have to give them visas. Its the law.

Everything that HRC says leads me to believe this is what they have been planning for us. This is what is in the pending agreement being negotiated in Switzerland.

See this video:

and do not have laws protecting them like exist in the EU.

If you want to read more about that gap Saskia Sassen I think has written about it.

Additionally there is a lot more discussion in Europe about these deals than here. here most people dont even know they exist.

Did you know that TTIP is hoping to privatize and then throw open big chunks of procurement, and TiSA the same with services generally?

For example, education and health care. After these deals we wont be able to have any new public services and existing ones where there is one private competitor will have to be privatized.

They have clauses - standstill, ratchet and rollback.

I guess NAFTA didn't go far enough for her - not enough ceding Government sovereignty to private secret corporate tribunals. TPP on the other hand covers all of that and "is the GOLD STANDARD".

I wonder if that is really what she meant?

Sanders said that NAFTA, which Clinton used to support, cost the U.S. economy 800,000 jobs. There is a report from a left-leaning policy group that reached that conclusion. On the other hand, many other nonpartisan reports found that the trade deal produced neither significant job losses nor job gains. This is a result of competing economic models and the challenges of teasing out the effects of NAFTA from everything else that has taken place in the economy.

The report Sanders cited is an outlier, and his use of its findings ignores important facts that would give a different impression. We rate his statement Mostly False

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/sanders-overshoots-nafta-job-losses/

You just quoted word for word the final two paragraphs of the article you link to, and didn't place it in quote marks. (edited because I can see what I wrote initially was confusing)

I've got to assume that you didn't mean to create the impression that you were commenting on the article, then citing it, but that's firmly how it looks.

'Cuz, well, you happen to be communicating with an awful lot of 'left-leaning' folks on this site, and using such a term in a post of yours ain't going to win you many friends.

That's the difference.

And, yeah, that's an accurate article.

I don't know if they have the level of sophistication or the technology necessary to generate a significantly noticeable spike in accounts across the social media spectrum like that, but it's not out of the question.

I don't typically look at user profiles but have been curious lately. It sure seems a bunch of new people here got their assignment right around the same time in mid-April.

until I started taking a few looks myself. And, go figure, it appears to the case.

The post I responded to seemed, well, cookie-cutter, to me. Thought I'd try draw out a bit of discussion, but nothing doing.

Looks like we've got a bit of a troll problem

Haven't visited my kid in Fremont lately. Hope their troll hasn't been abducted!

He's there..... lurking always.....

It is funny except that it is so sad: For Hillary, for the Super Pac, and for the dupes.

Because it seems to run like a playbook, with not much attention paid to the actual topic of the thread or discussion. Just like puking up inflammatory statements out of nowhere.

probably paid by incision, not the depth of it

The points I was trying, badly, I guess, to make were

1) Quoting verbatim from an article should be accompanied by quote marks.

2) Quoting a couple of paragraphs which include a derisive reference to an organization as 'left leaning' isn't such a great choice for DU.

And no, I don't consider myself left-leaning. I'm right up against the fully-to-the-left barrier - I don't think there's any room for me to lean further.

did nothing Mmmmmmm ?

Well I'll tell you what, I don't need Bernie to tell me, nor do I need you to tell me, nor do I need "politifact.com" to tell me, that NAFTA has torn this country up. I haven't worked in factories in my life, but there was a hell of allot of American citizens working in them throughout this country, and mostly the midwest. Their lives have been turned upside down by NAFTA.

And you know... that whole "New World Order" trade thing back in the late 80s/early 90s was never voted on by the American people. We were never privy to what was going to happen down the road, but for what spilled out of Ross Perot's mouth in a debate.

What gives TPTB the right to make decisions that are going to be harmful to it's citizens in the future? WTF is going on in this country, anyway?

Decisions by TPTB seem to affect our lives from the cradle to the grave. Why don't we have an election to bring that kind of system to a stop? To have a society here in which The People make the decisions, not TPTB?

We lived it, ReRe. We watched the deindusrialization of the "rust belt". To the loss for the many millions, to the benefit of the relative already wealthy handful.

Remember when they said, "Oh, we will train you for the new jobs that will replace the manufacturing jobs." Another lie. Entire volumes of lies.

The only job growth from NAFTA was in creating new lies and new false rhetoric designed to mislead the people and make them vote against their own interests.

You will get paid today for your work on the intertube boards. I've copied my secretary, Mike, to see it through.

Mike,

Please cut a check from the HRC SuperPAC payable to Puffy.

I am starting to post on all the places I regularly post, that we need to be aware of the paid commenters from Hillary's campaign.
Just a note is enough to alert people. This betrays their desperation. They have lost control of the narrative and of the election.

Personally I like to ad a link to the identifier graphic, but such is not necessary.
I will demonstrate, pretend this post is an obvious astro turf "brock sock" poster, note how I would reply to identify the bit of laundry to others thus warning them.

... find yourself in a relationship with a true narcissist, you will notice him/her accusing the other for things that you know full well she/he is personally guilty of. You just demonstrated it.

Yeah


That's why he caucuses with the Dems and has for 30 years.

That's why he gets donations from individuals and not corporations he's given expensive "talks" to.

... "Nanny, nanny, pooh, pooh; (fingers-in-the-ears, eyes squeezed shut); raspberries; skipping around in circles."

It's called a temper tantrum. Do us a favor and give it a rest.

... you need to give it a break for a while. Speech is slurred and nothing is making any sense. I'm being sincere for once. Seriously, take care.

That is an impossibility.

The Third Way is nowhere near progressive.

Her goddamn nose should be about 1 foot long, she is such a liar I can hardly even look at her. The Clintons are a disaster for this country and have been for a long long time and people want 8 more years of this shit? Idiots.

lol

Her nose should stretch out to Andromeda Galaxy!

It is sure not like she has anything to lose, reputation wise.

Go to google, type in: crooked. Just that expression, nothing else. Don't look for the stories that come up - instead focus on what google does with the term "crooked."

Last night it was at 511,000 inserts.

Just weasels out on so many issues, it is sickening.

That's her usual out for when she cares enough to backpedal.

FFS what the hell is wrong with this fucking country.

.... a spinoff of Thomas Franks What's the Matter With Kansas?"

The media is another. The influence of Wall Street, the Military Industrial Complex, the insurance industry and corporations in general are above and beyond the pale.

The proposed trade deals illustrate just how bad things have gotten. We have a Democratic President pushing a trade deal that no one wants but the already flush corporations. WTF!

Any suggestion that the American people will benefit from these trade deals is a bold faced lie!

I think this is the greatest threat to the well being of the American people in my lifetime, including the communist threat of Red China and the Soviet Union. Again, WTF!

... our sovereignty will be sold down the river, and talk about effing Future Shock.

Did you read that article today on the death of Capitalism? 62 people own as much as half the human race? 62 Individuals! Only thing is, in order to get back on the road to profit, they have to get these TPP trade treaties through so they will own not only the USA, but the rest of the effing world to boot!!!

And HRC will let her rip, just like WJC did with NAFTA and GATT back in 1993. You and I know it. Democrats. You got that? Democrats!

things must change. It can be done the easy way, or the hard way.

both Obama and Hillary AGREED that NAFTA had been a disaster for America's Working Class,
and BOTH Obama and Hillary PROMISED that on Day One they would renegotiate NAFTA to include protections for American Jobs.
BOTH.

He's just leaving out that workers protection bit.

... but not with HRC!

from going through?

Honestly?

I don't.

is considered a+ good for their team. They think that it is a "game", and cheating is not only allowed, but supported if it leads to a win.

They are not the ones that will suffer.

Some.

Everything is too black and white these days.

I would probably make some money on my investments if Hillary were to win. But I want to live in a democracy not a plutocracy and I understand workers make the money happen. I want to live in a county with some QUALITY, not just quantity.... for everyone. I may not make as much money as I could if we just do some horrible questionable things, but, y'know what? ... just like after I pay my taxes, I STILL have money... enough. I refuse to be greedy. The only reason I have $$$ to invest is because of LUCK... not because I deserve it or am somehow better than someone else.

Rich people don't piss me off.... stupid GREEDY people do. They can be rich or poor, like those yahoos who think they're gonna be rich like Trump someday so they vote for him.
I find the Clintons to be greedy.

You just don't have the appropriate level of appreciation for the obvious psychic toll it must take on her to boldly tell flat-out lies on a regular basis for the good of her subjects.

I mean, fellow Americans.

Rich ones.

Who have the good sense to contribute to the Clinton Foundation.

Well, those who've kicked in at least a million - those other cheapskate wanna-be players just don't get it.

Well, ok, not so much "breaking",
and not so much "news".

Rather, a very nice illustration....

And they wonder why people find her "untrustworthy"....

It all depends on who she's talking to.

trade and jobs issues.

Also on support for small businesses.

In comparison, Bernie is very, very strong on these issues and will appeal to most Americans who would like to see a job-strong economy.

NAFTA heralded a job-weak economy. It's still with us today.

It's going to be a disaster of epic proportions.

and he bragged about how he persuaded Bill to make NAFTAA the top priority, even though Hillary wanted to focus on healthcare instead.

Robert Reich said, "The answer is HRC didn’t want the Administration to move forward with NAFTA, but not because she was opposed to NAFTA as a policy. She opposed NAFTA because of its timing."

http://robertreich.org/post/257309371

Claiming that Hillary wanting NAFTA to come after healthcare means she was opposed to it is every bit as correct as Bill saying, "I did not have sex with that woman."

Seems pretty hypocritical to me.

I did read the Reich article, which is from 2008, as well as what he has written since then. In the original article, Reich said that the problem was not with the concept of NAFTA, but with the execution, which crushed a certain segment of our population. In 2016 he said that the recent trade agreements are structurally worse than NAFTA. In both 2008 and 2016, Reich said,

"In theory, the winners could fully compensate the losers and still come out ahead. But the winners don’t compensate the losers."

He is giving an honest and informed opinion and readily accepts that NAFTA has not worked as planned. By contrast, Hillary LIED about her initial opposition and change of positions, as she does so consistently. I do not trust people who have such a track record of lying; you apparently either don't care or are incapable of accepting any facts that challenge your fixed beliefs.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/robert_reich_trade_deals_are_gutting_the_middle_class_partner/

IN CHARGE OF THE EXECUTION.

So he conceived it, and executed it, and yet he's passing the buck to HILLARY, and that makes sense to you.

And you don't want to see. Hillary lied. Reich said that he thinks that NAFTA did not work because the corporatists, aka Hillary's supporters, failed to spend some of their NAFTA profits to help the working people whose jobs were lost. His, NAFTA ended up not working for everyone. Which doesn't change the fact that Hillary supported it at the onset, then lied about that and the other fact that you seem to be incapable of mentally accepting any negative facts about Hillary. Deflecting makes you feel good, but merely demonstrates your inability to process conflicting information. In other words, you seem to be the Democratic equivalent of the Trump supporters who refuse to accept anything negative about him. No response necessary as it will involve a denial of reality.

enough controls in the law -- and yet you and he are blaming the then FLOTUS.

Also, you just accept the word of this self-interested NAFTA proponent that Hillary is the one shading the truth and not him.

You are a riot.

To say you've been a critic of NAFTA from the beginning implies you've been consistently critical of NAFTA. That is clearly a lie. Source: Hillary in the past few months. As noted by the video in the OP. Forget what she said years ago, she had trouble deciding during this campaign.

No other words. None.

Thanks to Clinton free trade policies we are all left to fend for ourselves. They call it the "sharing" or "gig" economy where having a stable career is a thing of the past. We can all be entrepreneur contractors working from gig to gig for left-over scraps that are not offshored.

I am a life-long tech worker forced to work as a contractor with no benefits or long term prospects. This shit sucks. The funniest thing are the hillary-bots that want me to vote for Hillary which supports these shitty policies. Moving to another country is looking more desirable.

Slick Willie and Slimey Hill are at it again. Just rewriting history however they see fit. Pieces of shit.

WOW, you had to post that as your first post?

Using Cheney as well?

You won't last long in this neighborhood!

from both parties. This is why we need a political revolution, our FDR, Bernie Sanders for president.

I live in El Paso. NAFTA closed a bunch of shops in El Paso and we watched them get up and move south of the border. At the same time many of my friends went to work in the maquiladoras in Juarez. So if 2000 folks saw their jobs disappear in El Paso and 1000 Americans went to work in Juarez, the Bureau of Labor would say that it was a net loss of 1000 jobs. But the bottom line is, shops closed their doors and many of those workers could only find employment in the service (especially food) industries. NAFTA wasn't very good to the working class in El Paso, but the top 10% benefited quite nicely. It was somewhat of a boon to Juarez, but they had a "captive" population and the migration from southern Mexico to the border to work in these same maquiladoras created a whole new set of problems. It's a complicated story, but without a doubt - factory workers here got squashed.

... it's Neoliberal Shock Doctrine disaster capitalism all the way. That's what all this trade business is about since William Jefferson Clinton & wife Hillary Rodham came in in the 1990s, what old Poppy Bush called "The New World Order."

And Naomi Klein only wrote the book, what 5 years ago? Seriously folks, get that book. It's at your local library, and it's for sale online: The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism., by Naomi Klein. If you want to understand the world you live in, you have to read. You know... those old fashioned things called books, with pages in them???

And if these deals are so damned good for us, why in the hell are they done in secret? WTF is being hidden? Naomi is a true voice of reason and a champion of truth.