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Hillary: "You should be willing to debate any time; anywhere." (Original Post) Babel_17 May 2016 OP
Another Clinton lie. I'll start counting true statements, it's easier n/t arcane1 May 2016 #1
There should not be anymore debates: They have proven a waste of time lewebley3 May 2016 #4
How many levels of nonsense will you go to now, lewebley3? RiverNoord May 2016 #21
Derp MrMickeysMom May 2016 #22
If they've proven anything it's that Hillary Clinton is a lousy debater whose poll numbers drop Gene Debs May 2016 #23
Hillary has done just fine: she has won lewebley3 May 2016 #51
Hillary has debate everywhere: and anywhere: She has told the truth lewebley3 May 2016 #6
Ever wonder how much better she'd be doing if Youtube didn't exist? Reiyuki May 2016 #30
have you ever got that right NJCher May 2016 #41
My grandson said that last Sunday - we 840high May 2016 #42
Why do we keep seeing these things? sulphurdunn May 2016 #2
Part of the challenge in politics is to never find acceptable the unacceptable Babel_17 May 2016 #3
Democrats should not being going on FOX fake news ever: Hillary is right say no lewebley3 May 2016 #5
Why no proposal for an alternative venue? Babel_17 May 2016 #9
We don't need anymore debates; we know everything about both lewebley3 May 2016 #52
But the fact that it would be Fox News was surely known when she agreed to the schedule. JDPriestly May 2016 #13
No she is not: The contest is over: Sanders has lost lewebley3 May 2016 #53
That's a really piss-poor excuse to weasel out of a debate you already agreed to. Because it's Gene Debs May 2016 #24
There is nothing to debate: we have had enough debates lewebley3 May 2016 #45
There were 26 Democratic primary debates during the last election cycle. Was that too many? Gene Debs May 2016 #54
Its Sanders that believes he is owed a coronation even when he has lost lewebley3 May 2016 #59
I know. sulphurdunn May 2016 #7
Addendum: "..Unless you're me, Hillary!" nt phazed0 May 2016 #8
Afraid to debate bernie yet many will still tell us that she is who should be doing our negotiations A Simple Game May 2016 #10
Afaik it's would be the strategy for either Clinton or Sanders to "poach" Republican voters Babel_17 May 2016 #12
Yes. We reregistered lots of Independent and a few Republican voters who genuinely JDPriestly May 2016 #17
But not in California and if you have decided you don't need Californians' votes. JDPriestly May 2016 #11
Why not debate Sanders?.... or anybody?.... AlbertCat May 2016 #16
She does snub people. I don't think she is particularly good in dealing with people. JDPriestly May 2016 #18
Hillary has debated enough: Sanders is melting down lewebley3 May 2016 #46
Hillary promised to debate according to a schedule and is now changing her mind. JDPriestly May 2016 #56
Calif: has had enough debates they were all on TV lewebley3 May 2016 #58
"People" to Hillary Clinton are a bothersome nuisance that too often Gene Debs May 2016 #55
Kind of amusing video below Babel_17 May 2016 #27
She is done with fruitless, endless desperate maneuvers from feel the bern folk. Bernie is going to Augiedog May 2016 #14
We might do that. retrowire May 2016 #15
if you can't, don't forget to take your ball with you Skittles May 2016 #43
more "youre not welcome here" bullshit. lol nt retrowire May 2016 #44
The free advertising for our party of a debate is more than a "desperate maneuver", imo Babel_17 May 2016 #19
Maybe if Trump is feeling magnanimous he'll find a spot for Hillary in his administration. Gene Debs May 2016 #25
Already in the Works. lecoleman May 2016 #32
What matter if Trump becomes Pres is not Hillary, its the poor and elderly lewebley3 May 2016 #50
Even if she promised Bernie the moon, no one would believe her. JDPriestly May 2016 #34
Sanders will be a Senator only from VT. lewebley3 May 2016 #47
Bernie is finally gettting tough.... berniebroski May 2016 #20
How about a Hillary versus Hillary debate? left-of-center2012 May 2016 #26
Hillary has very loyal to her party: She wil sign anything they have the lewebley3 May 2016 #48
If a free primetime 2hr showcase of Democratic ideals... Jack Bone May 2016 #28
It's not as though a debate is a week-long commitment, either. flor-de-jasmim May 2016 #29
The issues have been presented enough: Time to unit the party lewebley3 May 2016 #49
The only thing we would learn... liberal N proud May 2016 #31
lol, while I think otherwise, that made me laugh Babel_17 May 2016 #33
That was Other Hillary. Jester Messiah May 2016 #35
Other Barry, is that you? Babel_17 May 2016 #36
Yes it is, Barry. Jester Messiah May 2016 #37
lol Babel_17 May 2016 #38
I can do that too (clears throat) "I'm an astronaut." SunDrop23 May 2016 #39
Mike Dexter? Babel_17 May 2016 #40
Not having to answer questions about this (Did the Clinton campaign know it was coming?) Babel_17 May 2016 #57
 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
21. How many levels of nonsense will you go to now, lewebley3?
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:56 PM
May 2016

Are you asserting that candidates for the office of the Presidency should not waste their time by appearing on television with their rivals or opponents?

That the American people don't benefit from such exposure to candidates?

Or maybe that the American people just don't deserve them?

Go on, please explain how debates among contenders for the office of the Presidency 'have proven a wasted of time.'

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
23. If they've proven anything it's that Hillary Clinton is a lousy debater whose poll numbers drop
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:04 PM
May 2016

every time she's in one, and both she and DWS know it. Which is why they backed out of California. When she debates, everyone sees that the emperor has no clothes.

Reiyuki

(96 posts)
30. Ever wonder how much better she'd be doing if Youtube didn't exist?
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

All this information freely at our disposal. Speeches and opinions from years ago.

It makes it a lot easier for people to sort out the consistent candidates from the cookie-cutter politicians.

NJCher

(35,687 posts)
41. have you ever got that right
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

youtube is an amazing resource on Clinton. I watch daily. It will give you clips of all the stories that have been done on the foundation/email scandal.

Cher

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
42. My grandson said that last Sunday - we
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

were going over her lies and he said making a list of truth from her will be easier.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
2. Why do we keep seeing these things?
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:08 PM
May 2016

I know you mean well, but whether it's Clinton or Trump, both speak out of both sides of their mouths with their little forked tongues flicking about while their lifeless, predatory eyes stare at you through the lens of a TV camera. That's just who these people are. Everyone should be used to it by now.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
3. Part of the challenge in politics is to never find acceptable the unacceptable
Tue May 24, 2016, 04:17 PM
May 2016

Going along with that is holding politicians to their promises. They're under enormous pressure not to do so. Sometimes you're doing them a favor by compelling them to follow through on their commitments. President Obama mentioned this when referring to his becoming President. He asked us, in effect, to make him take on the powerful interests opposing our party platform.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
9. Why no proposal for an alternative venue?
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:04 PM
May 2016

Sanders has pretty much taken what was offered all along.

Edit: P.S. President Obama did an interview for Fox/Bill O'Reilly. The point is to not perform for them. Fox gets the eyeballs of some people that can be swayed. The President understood that. Heck, getting service on ones car often means it being shown as the default channel in the customer waiting area.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. But the fact that it would be Fox News was surely known when she agreed to the schedule.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:35 PM
May 2016

She is reneging on a promise. As usual.

That's why we Bernie supporters do not trust her.

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
24. That's a really piss-poor excuse to weasel out of a debate you already agreed to. Because it's
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:06 PM
May 2016

on Fox? What does she think they're going to force her to say?

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
54. There were 26 Democratic primary debates during the last election cycle. Was that too many?
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

This time around DWS only scheduled six to protect Her Majesty's coronation, and only agreed to a few more in a panic when it became apparent that Her Majesty wasn't going to simply stroll to her coronation without effort.

There's still plenty to debate. If anything, it would be a chance to measure Clinton's current stances on the issues compared to her stances on those same questions a few weeks and months ago just to see how they've morphed.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
10. Afraid to debate bernie yet many will still tell us that she is who should be doing our negotiations
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

with Russia, China, and all other countries.

Do most people even listen to what they say and how it relates to the facts? It would seem not.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
12. Afaik it's would be the strategy for either Clinton or Sanders to "poach" Republican voters
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

Those that just can't vote for such a person as Trump might find the sum total of either Sanders or Clinton more acceptable. IIRC there's been talk on these boards of our eventual nominee getting those votes.

A Fox sponsored debate might be the ticket to grab such voters who loathe Trump. And of course all Californians, and everybody else from other states, especially those waiting to vote, can also watch.

Fox is in it for the cash, like any network. They'd try to get millions of people to watch our two candidates for the Democratic nomination. Our party should come out ahead from that.

Can't imagine how much such publicity would cost otherwise.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. Yes. We reregistered lots of Independent and a few Republican voters who genuinely
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:47 PM
May 2016

like Bernie and what he stands for.

Seems to me that Bernie is miles apart from Republicans, but there are areas of agreement such as the surveillance state. Hillary loves it. Never saw a phone she didn't want to tap. Bernie opposes it. There are other areas in which Bernie agrees more with some of the Republicans (not most) than Hillary does.

On economic issues Republicans agree more with Hillary. Those who worry about having their taxes rise to pay for insurance (which they would pay less for if we had single payer, universal health insurance) are among them.

I've had people scream at me that they would never vote for a "socialist" when they see my tee-shirt.

Takes all kinds.

The parties are beginning to reorganize themselves a bit.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. But not in California and if you have decided you don't need Californians' votes.
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:30 PM
May 2016

Hillary. You are insulting the voters in California. We are a huge state with many voters.

Did you "evolve" again? Is that what is wrong with a debate in California?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
16. Why not debate Sanders?.... or anybody?....
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:46 PM
May 2016

...... even after you actually won the nomination and had been President for a year?

Hillary snubs too many people. And...how lazy! Is it too difficult to come up with answers you think will reflect Democratic Party issues....or please the crowd? Are your positions not popular? Fear of losing...anything?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
56. Hillary promised to debate according to a schedule and is now changing her mind.
Wed May 25, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

We in California want the debate that was scheduled for our state.

If Hillary is going to renege on simple promises like that should she become president, we have a serious problem with her candidacy.

"First she said she will and then she won't.

She's undecided now."



When you are president, you don't just have to answer the phone at 2:30 a.m., you have to make decisions and stick to most of them.

Can she do that?

 

Gene Debs

(582 posts)
55. "People" to Hillary Clinton are a bothersome nuisance that too often
Wed May 25, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

get between her and what she wants.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
27. Kind of amusing video below
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

Though the situations aren't very analogous it did make me smile to A) see DWS on Fox News (given what was posted upthread), and B) hear DWS mock the Republican party for suddenly deciding to limit its debates. Yes, different situations, but still pretty funny, all things considered.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/4404839510001/debbie-wasserman-schultz-reacts-to-the-gop-debate/?#sp=show-clips

Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
14. She is done with fruitless, endless desperate maneuvers from feel the bern folk. Bernie is going to
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:39 PM
May 2016

be a major player in the upcoming administration if Hillary can trump the orange hump. (aka the Donald). You may not like the truth, and I don't blame you, but there it is. Time to turn your passion up to full flame and bern trump and stop trying to harm Hillary. The repucklian party will do plenty of that in the near future. If you are really frosted over Hillary being the candidate you may take secret, or maybe not so secret, pleasure in the right wing swift boating of Hillary.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
19. The free advertising for our party of a debate is more than a "desperate maneuver", imo
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

It's part of the process of letting voices be heard, and addressing local concerns. Look at the roster from past primaries. Lol, did our party think most of them had any chance at all? Did even some of the candidates themselves? Imo, no. But it's a great platform for important voices to speak from, and to demonstrate the wide appeal of the Democratic party.

Sure, one can argue the greater utility of getting behind one candidate at this point in time, but I don't think it to our best advantage to outright dismiss getting the voters in California to feel more involved and appreciated. And that's basically what I'm seeing in the news, an outright dismissal.

lecoleman

(1 post)
32. Already in the Works.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:20 PM
May 2016

Although this is meant to be funny I think you've stumbled onto something. Since they're old wedding buddies they've probably already discussed this. We'll see.

 

berniebroski

(8 posts)
20. Bernie is finally gettting tough....
Tue May 24, 2016, 05:50 PM
May 2016

hence the refusal to debate. Turn on the TV, the entire media is propping up Hillary due to her falling poll numbers. Bernie is finally realizing how weak she is, too bad he didn't get tough earlier.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
26. How about a Hillary versus Hillary debate?
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:14 PM
May 2016

She's changed her position on everything so many times.
"Would the real Hillary Clinton please stand up?"



Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
28. If a free primetime 2hr showcase of Democratic ideals...
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

is a waste of time.....I REFUSE to hear anymore of this "Bernie's hurting Hillary's chances against Trump" nonsense.


oooooh.... FOX might ask some hard questions!! run away!! I'm series!!

if you can't handle FOX, you shouldn't be President...period

Time to put on your Big Girl Girdle and debate...like you said that you would.

flor-de-jasmim

(2,125 posts)
29. It's not as though a debate is a week-long commitment, either.
Tue May 24, 2016, 06:17 PM
May 2016

By now she should be able to clearly present the issues she is willing to fight for, with details!! Can't handle Fox News?! Can't handle Bernie?? Can't figure out how to please everyone with her answers??

Bernie should debate Trump -

SunDrop23

(2,109 posts)
39. I can do that too (clears throat) "I'm an astronaut."
Tue May 24, 2016, 07:02 PM
May 2016

Feels a bit sleazy to out and out lie. How does she do it so easily?

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
57. Not having to answer questions about this (Did the Clinton campaign know it was coming?)
Wed May 25, 2016, 03:08 PM
May 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/state-dept-inspector-general-report-sharply-criticizes-clintons-email-practices/2016/05/25/fc6f8ebc-2275-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html?

The State Department’s independent watchdog has issued a highly critical analysis of Hillary Clinton’s email practices while running the department, concluding that she failed to seek legal approval for her use of a private email server and that department staff would not have given its blessing because of the “security risks in doing so.”

The inspector general, in a long awaited review obtained Wednesday by The Washington Post in advance of its publication, found that Clinton’s use of private email for public business was “not an appropriate method” of preserving documents and that her practices failed to comply with department policies meant to ensure that federal record laws are followed.

The report says Clinton, who is the Democratic presidential front-runner, should have printed and saved her emails during her four years in office or surrendered her work-related correspondence immediately upon stepping down in February 2013. Instead, Clinton provided those records in December 2014, nearly two years after leaving office.


The report includes interviews with Kerry and Powell and former secretaries Madeleine Albright and Condoleezza Rice, but it says that Clinton declined to be interviewed.
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