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Why Democrats Should Care About Hillary Clinton's E-mail Scandal (Original Post) matthewf May 2016 OP
Democrats can tell the difference between a scandal and a wannabe scandal. tonyt53 May 2016 #1
She can't win without the independent vote. jalan48 May 2016 #5
She's already in the lead without it. shenmue May 2016 #20
Why the ROTFL smilie? LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #25
Exactly... an HRC fall campaign could be disaster... modestybl May 2016 #29
He can't win the Democratic vote. Amimnoch May 2016 #24
The big deal has nothing to do with her, but with the 8 inch floppy disks and so on. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #31
Unfortunately for Hillary it's another example of poor judgement. jalan48 May 2016 #32
What you just said is a GOP meme and talking point. I dont know why it is Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #33
Oh yeah-question Hillary's judgement is now a GOP meme. jalan48 May 2016 #34
I wish i was new at this, I would be able to pretend that all this anti Hillary stuff Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #37
Well, many of us long time Democrats find Hillary much too corporate and conservative. jalan48 May 2016 #38
Oh hell, she is far too corporate for me, which is why I voted for Bernie. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #39
This is true. He's a Fascist. jalan48 May 2016 #40
He would appoint Satan to the SC if he thought it would get him ratings and votes Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #41
She can win if the Americans fight and rejects Trumps fascism lewebley3 May 2016 #46
The FBI doesn't grant immunity in a casual manner... raindaddy May 2016 #6
The report clears Hillary: and the FBI doesn't have Hillary under investigation lewebley3 May 2016 #16
No, it doesn't angrychair May 2016 #22
It backed up what Hilary said : and they found now laws brokern lewebley3 May 2016 #47
Ummm they said she violated the policies put in place to comply with the law Press Virginia May 2016 #51
lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #30
Really? She is not under investigation? angrychair May 2016 #42
Yet another "Republican" Obama appointee LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #50
The email thing was no scandal it was a political attack only lewebley3 May 2016 #10
You are right tony53: this was a political attack only lewebley3 May 2016 #15
The IG was appointed by Obama and worked under Kerry. ... spin May 2016 #35
SCANDAL I TELL YOU!!! ffr May 2016 #2
All one needs to know that it is ALL POLITICALLY DRIVEN. We're moving forward. Trust Buster May 2016 #3
Why Democrats should care about the SCOTUS and trump - asiliveandbreathe May 2016 #4
There is a viable, excellent alternative democrat floppyboo May 2016 #8
No Hillary is the only choice for President: Trump is a fascist bully lewebley3 May 2016 #11
He's not a Democrat, never been a Democrat and will not be one Loki May 2016 #45
Most Admired Woman in World, Record 20th Time Gallup, December 2015. stonecutter357 May 2016 #7
And who reads Time anymore? Who took the poll? really... floppyboo May 2016 #9
probably, upper class older white women and their desk jockey husbands. my guess. Hiraeth May 2016 #13
Hillary is Hillary because she is very Admired for ther fighting spirit lewebley3 May 2016 #12
She does have that! nt floppyboo May 2016 #14
Who exactly was polled? People in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Ukraine, Honduras, Haiti, Mexico?? nt. polly7 May 2016 #17
Stalin and Hitler loved animals, music and children! Chasstev365 May 2016 #18
...and on the same poll gordianot May 2016 #19
First of all the list is US centric karynnj May 2016 #23
I care more that departments are still using goddamned floppy disks Blue_Adept May 2016 #21
*yawn* Lil Missy May 2016 #26
So you Hillary-Bots say this is all about nothing . . FairWinds May 2016 #27
In an oligarchy the rule of law only applies to the "little people." (n/t) spin May 2016 #36
How dare anyone demand that Hillary follow any rules. cpwm17 May 2016 #44
Great Catch . . FairWinds May 2016 #48
It is not a scandal...Stop spreading GOP created propaganda stories. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #28
I'm sure, then, you weren't one of the many Hillary supporters cpwm17 May 2016 #49
No, I was not. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #52
I'm sure it was nothing. Enthusiast May 2016 #43
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. Democrats can tell the difference between a scandal and a wannabe scandal.
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:13 AM
May 2016

Evidently Republicans and Independents can't.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
25. Why the ROTFL smilie?
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:50 PM
May 2016

She'll probably be the nominee. The Democrats will be saddled with her, along with her baggage.

That kind of hubris will only encourage the "she's got it in the bag" attitude. It exacerbates the problem of getting the D vote out. In case you haven't noticed, Trump is neck and neck with her now. And the MSM have months to bring her numbers down even more. They will probably look on it as a challenge.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
31. The big deal has nothing to do with her, but with the 8 inch floppy disks and so on.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

The ONLY people who think it is a BIG DEAL as to her is the GOP.

ONLY them.

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
32. Unfortunately for Hillary it's another example of poor judgement.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

It's going to cost her if she gets the nomination. If floppies were the issue Team Hillary would have been yelling about it from day one. I can understand why they are pushing it now though.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
37. I wish i was new at this, I would be able to pretend that all this anti Hillary stuff
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:12 PM
May 2016

was sincere but misguided liberals who are very passionate but not very logical.

But I know better, some are, most are not.

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
38. Well, many of us long time Democrats find Hillary much too corporate and conservative.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

That's why we like Bernie, he reminds us of what our once great Party was and can become again.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
39. Oh hell, she is far too corporate for me, which is why I voted for Bernie.
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

But as wide as the gap is between the two, it is even wider when you compare either to Drumpf

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
41. He would appoint Satan to the SC if he thought it would get him ratings and votes
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

There is no such thing as Satan of course, but the point is made.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
6. The FBI doesn't grant immunity in a casual manner...
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

They're after specific information that would also incriminate her IT guy or they wouldn't have given him immunity..

The head of the FBI is a "Republican" Obama appointee, he's not going to care about the Dem establishment's chosen candidate.

Hillary's is going to have to explain "why" she chose to ignore protocol and use a private server over a secure government e-mail..
Is she claims convenience is the only reason and they have proof otherwise, lying to the FBI is a crime in itself....

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
51. Ummm they said she violated the policies put in place to comply with the law
Thu May 26, 2016, 09:12 PM
May 2016

and she did it willfully.
That is breaking the law

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
30. lol
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

in what way?

In fact it CLEARLY illustrates that she's lied on multiple occasions and didn't keep her obligations to the state department... again, what's new there?

No one but Clintonites think this is good for Hillary... and there's even plenty of Clintonites that have copped on to what's happened...

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
42. Really? She is not under investigation?
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:33 PM
May 2016

Better tell the FBI and Justice Department that:

FBI formally confirms its investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email server
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/fbi-formally-confirms-its-investigation-hillary-clintons-email-server


FBI formally confirms its investigation of Hillary Clinton’s email server
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/08/fbi-formally-confirms-its-investigation-of-hillary-clintons-email-server.html


FBI's Comey: I feel 'pressure' to quickly finish Clinton email probe
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-email-investigation-fbi-james-comey-223071

However, in response to a question Wednesday, Comey said he wasn't familiar with the term "security inquiry" that Clinton and her aides have used. The FBI chief said he considers the work agents are doing to be an "investigation."
"It's in our name. I'm not familiar with the term 'security inquiry','" the director said.



spin

(17,493 posts)
35. The IG was appointed by Obama and worked under Kerry. ...
Thu May 26, 2016, 02:06 PM
May 2016

The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy must have long tentacles.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. Why Democrats should care about the SCOTUS and trump -
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:29 AM
May 2016

Here's why - Everything you have EVER thought was good for our Country....

Give peace a chance....you want WAR - vote trump - you want hate - vote trump - you want constant chaos - vote trump you want bigotry - vote trump - you want voter suppression - vote trump - you want women viewed as second class citizens - vote trump -

Every GWB foreign policy cheneyesk nutcase will rise again - the rhetoric right now is just getting warmed up - you ain't seen nuthin' yet!

This email (so called scandal) is a pie in the sky attempt - after 30 years (of these so called scandals) to discredit a Democratic candidate - too much money on the table for WAR to turn away - that is the name of the game...WAR! I thought you were smarter than this......

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
8. There is a viable, excellent alternative democrat
Thu May 26, 2016, 11:45 AM
May 2016

and if you want to avoid a Trump presidency, you should seriously consider Bernie. Too risky will Hillary. And its only going to get worse. The 'so-called' scandal is not a scandal in the Harlequin sense. It is a very real problem. With very real legal implications. And even with no indictment (unlikely I think) the FBI and OIG reports are going to be kerosene for Trump.

Bernie went on a honeymoon to a communist country. Oh boy! Trump makes them rich - guess who's going to win that one?

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
13. probably, upper class older white women and their desk jockey husbands. my guess.
Thu May 26, 2016, 12:35 PM
May 2016

could be wrong ....

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
18. Stalin and Hitler loved animals, music and children!
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:30 PM
May 2016

What the hell does being admired have to do with the issue at hand?

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
19. ...and on the same poll
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:33 PM
May 2016

#5 Carly Fiorina
#10 Condoleezza Rice
#11 Sarah Palin

At least Sarah Palin falls off the top 10.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
23. First of all the list is US centric
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

Second, it is opened ended and she has the highest name recognition. Not to mention, what percent was needed to win?

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
27. So you Hillary-Bots say this is all about nothing . .
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

but you want to hang Snowden, Manning and others
for alleged Intel breeches.

The big difference is really that Snowden, Manning, Kiriakou, Drake, etc.
lack the personal CONNECTIONS of HRC, Petraeus, Libby, Armitage, etc.

There's your "rule of law."

It's nauseating.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
44. How dare anyone demand that Hillary follow any rules.
Thu May 26, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

What's the big deal about classified information anyways:

https://theintercept.com/2015/08/12/hillary-clinton-sanctity-protecting-classified-information/?comments=1#comments

In December 2011, Chelsea Manning’s court-martial was set to begin. None of the documents at issue in that prosecution was “top secret,” unlike the documents found on Hillary Clinton’s server. Nonetheless, the then-secretary of state convened a press conference to denounce Manning and defend the prosecution. This is what she said:

If his case goes to trial and he is convicted, Manning could face life in prison. The government has said it would not seek the death penalty.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton called Manning’s alleged actions damaging and unfortunate in remarks to reporters at the State Department on Thursday.

“I think that in an age where so much information is flying through cyberspace, we all have to be aware of the fact that some information which is sensitive, which does affect the security of individuals and relationships, deserves to be protected and we will continue to take necessary steps to do so,” Clinton said.


Snowden and Manning were exposing criminal and unconstitutional activity by the powerful. You can't allow them to expose any classified information under any situation, no excuses like mass murder can be allowed. Hillary supporters know that's not right and many of them demanded Snowden and Manning be prosecuted.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
28. It is not a scandal...Stop spreading GOP created propaganda stories.
Thu May 26, 2016, 01:54 PM
May 2016

It is not a scandal...Stop spreading GOP created propaganda stories.
It is not a scandal...Stop spreading GOP created propaganda stories.
It is not a scandal...Stop spreading GOP created propaganda stories.

This is not a GOP message board.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
49. I'm sure, then, you weren't one of the many Hillary supporters
Thu May 26, 2016, 08:26 PM
May 2016

that were strongly for prosecuting Snowden and Manning when they exposed mass-murder and unconstitutional behavior by the powerful. Because, if you were, that would be highly hypocritical.

Snowden and Manning did their deeds to expose terrible crimes, Hillary did it for selfish reasons. Hillary also likely exposed far more sensitive secrets than Snowden or Manning ever did.

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