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Related: About this forumThe Latest Climate Change Anomaly Could Mean The End of Winter
The northern jet stream has now crossed the equator for the first time in recorded history, an event that has climate scientists scared to death. This means that the air on earth has heated to the point that weather patterns and seasons could become mixed, and they believe the end of winter as we know it could already be here. Ring of Fires Farron Cousins discusses this.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)I want new clothes
kracer20
(199 posts)We have had crap for snow that last two years up in ND. Guess it is time to sell my snowmobile.
Blues Heron
(5,938 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)I hate waking up to the end of the world
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0rganism
(23,957 posts)it spreads like wildfire, and you can bet it puts a smile on the face of the Koch bros and other well-heeled denialists. in a few days, they'll make sure the debunking spreads just as far, just as fast, and they'll lump the whole of climate science in there with it.
the denialists are going to have a field day with this straw man.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BTW: This idiocy will continue as long as the Right Wing claims they are the heroes in a battle against the enemies of profit.
They're STILL fighting the commies.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)'Course, it's gonna kill all the trees in the mountains, affecting not only our oxygen, but the watershed that used to serve all these people. The result will be death for some, nothing can stop that.
But the survivors will have really nice tomatoes, and year round.
Pesky winter.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)We need winter for a lot of other reasons, so don't think that it is any sort of good thing!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)They don't need us,
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)years.
Furthermore, we've only been aware of and studying the northern jet stream for 75 years. That leaves a lot of years of recorded history when it may have crossed.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/06/climate-system-scientist-claims-jet-stream-crossing-the-equator-is-unprecedented/
June 29th, 2016 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.
Paul Beckwith has a masters degree in laser optics, which he has somehow parlayed into being a Climate System Scientist to spread alarmism about the climate system.
But his post Unprecedented, Jet Stream Crosses Equator suggests he knows little of meteorology, let alone climate....
There is frequently cross-equatorial flow at jet stream altitudes, and that flow can connect up with a subtropical jet stream. But it has always happened, and always will happen, with or without the help of humans. Sometimes the flows connect up with each other and make it look like a larger flow structure is causing the jet stream to flow from one hemisphere to the other, but its in no way unprecedented.
Weve really only known about jet streams since around WWII one of my professors, Reid Bryson, was one of the first to advise the U.S. military that bombers flying to Japan might encounter strong head winds. The idea that something we have been observing for only several decades on a routine basis (upper tropospheric winds in the tropics) would exhibit unprecedented behavior is rather silly.
I especially like this portion of Pauls post:
We must declare a global climate emergency. Please consider a donation to support my work..
About
Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASAs Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASAs Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencers work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASAs Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.
Dr. Spencers research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE.
Sancho
(9,070 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)I don't know how the hell he landed this gig.
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bvar22
(39,909 posts)Sounds like bunk.
I DO know this:
Here in Central Arkansas, we had NO Winter this year. We burned less than 1/2 the wood we normally use for heat in our cabin (and could have gotten by with much less). The lack of Winter also screwed our fruit trees which depend on a cold dormancy to produce fruit...so no fruit this year, and very few Blueberries.
Summers are hotter and drier. Looks like another Drought/Heat Wave this year too.
We have Trash Canned of carefully developed planting calendar, and are playing it by ear this year.
We are going to try to make it work for us by planting again in late July or August.
Thank gawd we have a spring that never stops. We can irrigate, wash, bathe, and generally have all the water we want. Our neighbors with regular wells are not so lucky. They don't have the water to irrigate, and their gardens are drying up.
ffr
(22,670 posts)The issue is how much heat remains in the atmosphere overnight, unable to escape as it had before the industrial revolution and before human populations soared. It's trapped and reflected back to the surface by greenhouse gases.
So while it'll still snow, hail and whatnot, what does fall will melt faster than previously, simply because the average global temperatures are going up, particularly overnight.