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maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
14. But...Luntz is the despicable genious behind so much of the Republican bullshit working today.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jul 2016

His stock in trade is geared to the "under-educated" voter. Anyone ever familiar with critical thinking,:Chomsky to Hayakawa (prior to his aged congressional days) to so many of the best liberal thinkers today DO actually understand the Luntz playbook. But the big Liberal/ Democrats more honestly underestimate so many of the voters' knowledge and level of frustration and don't combat it. My frustration as a secondary teacher of many years was due to the lack of respect for advanced education in the Seventies by many kids who could still find jobs in industry paying more than those requiring a college education, not as expensive at the time.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
7. That's for sure.
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 04:49 AM
Jul 2016

The way democracy is defeated is by money buying advertising that is highly sophisticated and can afford to put it on mass media drowning out the people, buying public opinion, and luntz is an amoral servant to evil who causes great harm.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
9. If my facts are correct
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jul 2016

He was the creator of climate change denial. Or that it is caused by fossil fuels. Back in the early nineties.

So big oil continues to burn up the planet in the name of profit.

Nice legacy for your descendants, Frank.

-90% Jimmy

Funtatlaguy

(10,878 posts)
8. He is the creator of "Democrat Party"
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 07:10 AM
Jul 2016

He serves as an advisor to the RNC.
He told Republicans to start referring to it as the DemocRat party and emphasize the syllable rat and to get away from a well liked word democratic saying that Republicans don't see anything truly democratic about our party.

 

markj757

(194 posts)
10. He is a perfect example of why Trump is their nominee
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 09:37 AM
Jul 2016

Some of the most prominent people in the Republican party, who have access and can engage a wide variety of media outlets, bask in the limelight of right wing ignorance. And its because there is no harm to their winning elections or earning potential, it actually helps them do both. They don't care if there reputation and credibility outside of republican circles is abysmal, as long as their getting elected or making money. And its grinding the Republican party into the dirt. I swear, I find it hard to believe they believe all the dumb shit they say, except for Sarah Palin and some others, who actually really aren't that bright. When you're a Republican, and you can't say "I think President Obama is a good man, who loves his family and this country, but I profoundly disagree with him on many issues regarding domestic and foreign policy" without getting your ass handed to you in the next primary, it makes a bold statement about who Democrats are left to work with on the other side of the aisle.

axollot

(1,447 posts)
13. IMHO Yes that's the only way forward in mending the base
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jul 2016

reaching millennials who will bust their bottoms to gotv IF selected as VP pick in my opinion. Been saying it since January. If she is the nominee; she's going to need Sanders on the ticket to clean house. Besides mending the party base we have a million new voters or more ready and willing to get out the vote if Sanders in on the ticket.

JMHO
Cheers
Sandy

 

markj757

(194 posts)
16. I think 40/40 polling is BS.....that's media spin to generate a horse race....
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jul 2016

But I do think she should be bold and put Warren on the ticket to excite the base and guarantee a landslide victory, although I think she will win without her as well.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
17. I'd rather Warren stayed in the Senate for now,
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 02:54 AM
Jul 2016

since the Republican governor would probably appoint a Repug to finish out her term. I'm frankly puzzled as to why Liz would agree to run for V.P. when she wouldn't run for POTUS. It sounds too politically calculating for her "image,' and, therefore, a mark against her and a disappointment. Then, again, I didn't think Trump would continue to win primaries in the states less stereotyped as "redneck," and I overestimated Republican voters and underestimated the "Ugly American" syndrome lurking beneath many voters' political correctness. President Obama's election as the first "black" president (remember that he's every bit as much white, because that says it all in terms of racial identity still evident in this nation) both proved a change for the better with increasingly younger voters, AND all the racial ugliness still hiding in wait and ready to jump out in still all too many in this country (don't you wonder about Mitch McConnell, born even deeper in the South than Kentucky, and his stupidly, more than just partisan vendetta against President Obama from Day One)? AND a woman president in this "advanced" nation when other major nations have had women as leaders for years (well, excluding Russia, former U.S.S.R.or whatever incarnation as of now)...I won't even start.

axollot

(1,447 posts)
12. Frank isn't a genius because he can spin phrases
Sat Jul 16, 2016, 12:35 PM
Jul 2016

He simply knows how to 'soundbite' phrases that stick. It's not hard to do. Been doing it for years on various platforms and many stick. I see them used elsewhere and that's interesting to watch.

WE Democrats and those on the left can fight the Luntz spin machine by doing what he does but doing it better. Better, positive soundbites is what sells on the left. Fear sells on the right.

Cheers
Sandy

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