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North American bee evaluated for endangered list (Original Post) yuiyoshida Sep 2016 OP
NOT GOOD turbinetree Sep 2016 #1
Glyphosate is killing the bees? Major Nikon Sep 2016 #2
Who knew turbinetree Sep 2016 #5
Millions More Dead Honey Bees - The CDC and EPA approved and recommended aerial spraying... tecelote Sep 2016 #3
Done turbinetree Sep 2016 #4
Thx! tecelote Sep 2016 #6
... Major Nikon Sep 2016 #7
Yeah. tecelote Sep 2016 #9
Yeah, and thousands of children born with normal sized heads Major Nikon Sep 2016 #10
Yeah. Who needs bees anyway. tecelote Sep 2016 #11
Sure, because bee keepers just aren't smart enough to cover or move their hives Major Nikon Sep 2016 #12
Yeah, who needs wild bees. tecelote Sep 2016 #14
Wild bees are far more resilient than domesticated bees Major Nikon Sep 2016 #15
Yeah... They're bouncing back. Nothing to worry about. Spray away! tecelote Sep 2016 #16
So Huffpost is a bad source, but OCA is the gold standard of evidence! Major Nikon Sep 2016 #17
Note this article is about the "Rusty Patched Bumble Bee" BumRushDaShow Sep 2016 #8
If you are concerned about bees get this book Botany Sep 2016 #13

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
3. Millions More Dead Honey Bees - The CDC and EPA approved and recommended aerial spraying...
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 02:06 AM
Sep 2016

The CDC and EPA have approved and recommended the aerial spraying of a bee-killing pesticide called Naled to fight mosquitoes carrying the Zika virus. But this mosquito control tactic has not yet been proven to be fully effective for Zika—and it has already killed millions of honey bees. We must consider risks to pollinators, wildlife, and human health and create stronger guidelines on the aerial application of powerful neurotoxins, such as Naled.

PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/millions-of-dead-honeybees?akid=169334.33071368.SAciRU&rd=1&source=mo&t=2

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
7. ...
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 10:34 AM
Sep 2016
4. Where has naled been used for mosquito control?

Naled is currently being applied by aerial spraying to about 16 million acres within the mainland United States as part of routine mosquito control, but it can also be used following natural disasters such as hurricanes and floods:

In 2004, it was used extensively to treat eight million acres across Florida as part of the emergency responses to hurricanes.
In 2005 after Hurricane Katrina, five million acres of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas were treated with naled to kill mosquitoes.

Naled has been used in highly populated major metropolitan areas as well as other areas. Historically, naled has been used in Puerto Rico in attempts to control dengue. In 1987, the CDC carried out aerial spraying of naled across 177,000 acres of metropolitan San Juan.

5. Does naled work on mosquitos carrying Zika?

Naled has been successfully used for many years in the mainland United States and would be effective in the ongoing effort to control mosquitos carrying Zika, dengue, and chikungunya in Puerto Rico and other areas where these diseases have been identified. Tests carried out in February and March 2016 by the CDC on 14 separate populations of Aedes aegypti from across Puerto Rico showed that the chemical was highly effective. In each test, 100% mortality of female Aedes aegypti was achieved. These results, combined with the success of aerial trials with naled in Florida, are compelling reasons to use aerial application of naled for the current Zika emergency situation.

6. Are insects becoming resistant to naled?

Resistance is not an issue at this time for naled. Despite many acres across Florida being sprayed with naled each year, no resistance issues have been detected.

7. Are there special precautions to be taken during naled spraying?

For the majority of people, no special precautions need to be taken during spraying. You do not have to leave the area when spraying takes place. However, as a general matter it is a good idea to reduce unnecessary exposure to pesticides whenever possible.

Some people who are especially concerned may choose to take some of these steps to help reduce exposure even more. This may include people who are sensitive to chemicals and those with pre-existing respiratory problems.

Stay indoors with the windows closed during spraying.
If you are outdoors during spraying operations and you can see the spray, avoid contact with it. If you can’t avoid contact, rinse your skin and eyes with water.
Wash fruits and vegetables from your garden before storing, cooking or eating.
Cover outside items like furniture and grills while the spraying is occurring. Bring pets and items like pet food dishes and children’s toys indoors. Rinse any items left uncovered outside before using.
If you think you have had a reaction to the mosquito spray, talk to your doctor or call the regional Poison Control Center at 1-800-222-1222.

8. How will I know if aerial spraying is going to take place?

Decisions about where and when to spray will be made by local officials. Listen for announcements in your community with the dates, times and locations of upcoming sprayings. They are usually announced a day or two before they are scheduled to occur.

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9. Does naled pose risk to crops or water supplies?

No. Naled is approved for use on many crops and EPA has established safe residue levels for all crops. Aerial ULV sprays dispense very fine aerosol droplets containing small quantities of active ingredient that stay aloft and kill mosquitoes on contact. The amount that reaches the ground is tiny and it dissipates very quickly.

10. Is naled harmful to wildlife including honey bees?

Although naled does pose some risk to aquatic invertebrates (such as shrimp and water fleas) and terrestrial wildlife, it dissipates rapidly and does not persist in the environment. Therefore, risks to aquatic and terrestrial wildlife exist for only a short time, and long term exposure from its use for mosquito control is unlikely.

Applications made between dusk and dawn, while bees are not typically foraging, can reduce exposure to honey bees.

11. How can beekeepers reduce the risk of bee exposure to naled?

Although we do not anticipate significant exposure to bees, bee keepers and naled applicators must work together to ensure bee health. Many mosquito control districts maintain lists of beekeepers in their region. When applications are made, these districts will notify bee keeprs so they may take extra precautions if desired. Beekeepers, even with one small hive, can request to be placed on this list.

Beekeepers can reduce exposure to bee colonies by covering colonies and preventing bees from exiting colonies during designated treatment periods, or if possible, relocating colonies to an untreated site.

Providing clean sources of food (supplemental sugar water and protein diets) and clean drinking water to honey bee colonies during application can further reduce exposure.

https://www.epa.gov/mosquitocontrol/naled-mosquito-control

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
9. Yeah.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 04:02 PM
Sep 2016

10. Is naled harmful to wildlife including honey bees?

Although naled does pose some risk to aquatic invertebrates (such as shrimp and water fleas) and terrestrial wildlife, it dissipates rapidly and does not persist in the environment. Therefore, risks to aquatic and terrestrial wildlife exist for only a short time, and long term exposure from its use for mosquito control is unlikely.

Applications made between dusk and dawn, while bees are not typically foraging, can reduce exposure to honey bees.

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In other words YES, IT CAUSES HARM TO BEES AND TERRESTRIAL WILDLIFE.

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But, hey, there must be a bright side. Like profits.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
10. Yeah, and thousands of children born with normal sized heads
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 04:15 PM
Sep 2016

Not to mention reductions in GBS and many other complications that come with Zika.

But hey, someone might make a profit even though the patent ran out decades ago, so we can't have any of that.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
12. Sure, because bee keepers just aren't smart enough to cover or move their hives
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 04:48 PM
Sep 2016

You know, like they normally do when crops are sprayed routinely all over the US.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
15. Wild bees are far more resilient than domesticated bees
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 10:34 PM
Sep 2016

For one thing, domesticated bees are a non-native species to this continent and lack genetic diversity because for the most part they are almost exclusively one single species. As such they are susceptible to all sorts of problems, the least of which is pesticides.

Interesting that when your domestic bee tack fizzled it's now all about the wild bees, with even less data to support such leaps of faith.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
16. Yeah... They're bouncing back. Nothing to worry about. Spray away!
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 02:51 AM
Sep 2016


Oh my, an article in Huffington post. The article is by Jon Entine. That says a lot.

Here's another HuffPost article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-thacker/peeling-back-the-curtain-on-monsanto_b_9867902.html

Another:
What You Should Know About The Drastic Decline Of Wild Bees
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bee-populations-decline_us_567ab35de4b014efe0d7979f

Another:
Wild Bee Population In Dramatic Decline In Areas That Need Bees Most
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/domestic-crops-threatened-by-dramatic-decline-in-wild-bee-population_us_567957a0e4b06fa6887e915c

Another:
These Photos Capture The Startling Effect Of Shrinking Bee Populations
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/humans-bees-china_us_570404b3e4b083f5c6092ba9

There are many more articles about the bee problem by independent authors than there are by those hired to have an opinion.

Go ahead and get the last word in. I'm done.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
17. So Huffpost is a bad source, but OCA is the gold standard of evidence!
Sun Sep 25, 2016, 08:06 AM
Sep 2016

Brilliant!

9/11 was an inside job

Vaccines cause autism!

Water has memory!

Water fluoridation is a government conspiracy!

They are nuking our food!

Gotta love people who attack science based evidence with the shill gambit and then channel crank magnet loony sources funded by Big Organic®.

BumRushDaShow

(129,052 posts)
8. Note this article is about the "Rusty Patched Bumble Bee"
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 11:42 AM
Sep 2016
https://www.fws.gov/midwest/endangered/insects/rpbb/factsheetrpbb.html

Since they nest in the ground, they are more susceptible to pesticides distributed in the ground and grass. This is not a "honey bee" but does help with pollination. One of the issues with these bigger bees is that their probiscus is large and they tend to put holes in the flowers that they visit, however in this one's case, its wings help to initiate pollination with the vibration.

Botany

(70,508 posts)
13. If you are concerned about bees get this book
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 08:04 PM
Sep 2016
https://www.beethinking.com/collections/all/products/attracting-native-pollinators

Limit your use of insecticides

plant native plants

provide habitat for native pollinators

remove invasive plants ..... replace non native traditional garden plants too (even if they aren't invasive .... boxwoods,
day lily, hostas, forsythia, Colorado Blue Spruce (planted outside of its natural range) and so on) with native plants

plant things that bloom from early spring until fall
(Va bluebells, willow, up to fall sunflowers and asters)

Get Doug Tallamy's book .... Bringing Nature Home

http://www.bringingnaturehome.net
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