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because if HE DOES say that, I'll have very little use for him.

Edit to add: Bernie should be encouraging voters to vote for candidates who care about their prospective constituent's interests - NOT to include constituents (people) as defined by Citizens United. Rather, citizens who have to wince a bit when they manage to donate twenty-seven dollars and fifty-seven cents and cross their fingers that their representative will be free from spending half their time calling corporations to barter for dollars.

Whoa! Now I'm "set straight! Thank you!

Newsflash: Trump won.

It's not rocket science.

where I HAD TO march in unison (see my avatar). I got out after 4 years because I wanted to do life as I saw fit - not to someone else's beat. I still conduct myself that way - because I have principles. Your incentives may vary.

You do realize that we're competing against actual Nazis, right? If you have a choice to vote for a Democrat against a Nazi, and can't see the difference, then you are quite frankly hopeless.

Which is why Trump is sitting in the WH today.

I think you'll have a hard time finding that definition - even here on DU. But, go ahead - paint me as opting for Nazis.

From The New Yorker:

ne of the many things that makes Donald Trump angry is that Bernie Sanders does not seem to hold grudges. In recent speeches, Trump has pointed to the information that has come out, through WikiLeaks’ disclosures of John Podesta’s e-mails, about the Clinton team’s attitude toward Sanders during the primaries: the slights (“doofus”), the schemes (“where would you stick the knife?”), and the eye-rolling (“socialist math”). Perhaps worst of all—at least from Trump’s point of view—was Donna Brazile’s passing along of debate questions. "Now, Bernie Sanders should be angry right? Shouldn’t he be angry?” Trump asked a crowd in Florida. He sounded a little bit puzzled—he would be so mad.

The truth is that Bernie Sanders is very, very angry—at Donald Trump. He is angry enough to have spent weeks travelling on behalf of Hillary Clinton, speaking for her in union halls and arenas, to students and activists. When he talks, he is entirely Bernie—“We are going to fight for that democracy; we are not going to become an oligarchy”—and he hints strongly that he has done some negotiating with her before getting on the stage, and will continue to do so after, as he hopes, she is elected. When praising her positions, he often says “Secretary Clinton has told me” or “Secretary Clinton has promised,” as though he knows that it might not work, with the sort of swing audiences he is dispatched to persuade (students, working-class voters), simply to declare that taking these stands is in her nature. But he knows what he wants: for her to win. “This campaign is not a personality contest,” Sanders said near the beginning of a speech in Raleigh, North Carolina, on Thursday night. “We’re not voting for high-school president. We’re voting for the most powerful leader in the entire world.” He had been introduced by Pharrell Williams, the musician, who was now sitting on the stage with Clinton herself, as if it were an actual high-school election. Statements like that serve to remind Sanders’s supporters that they don’t need to be charmed by Hillary Clinton—he is over it, and they ought to be, too. But, if personality doesn’t matter, the person does.

“There are many, many differences between Secretary Clinton and Mr. Trump,” Sanders told the crowd. "But there is one that is very, very profound. Are you ready for a very radical thought right now? I don’t want anyone to faint! I think we have some paramedics here”—“paramedics here” is, it turns out, an excellent phrase for demonstrating a Brooklyn accent—“but I do want to make this announcement. Are you ready for it?” The crowd indicated that it was. "All right. Madam Secretary, you correct me if I’m wrong here; I don’t want to misspeak for you—Secretary Clinton believes in science!”

When the cheering had abated, Sanders continued, "I know I put her in a difficult position—2016, to believe in science, a little bit dangerous—but what the heck.” He then referred to her "very specific ideas” for combatting climate change, before turning to the mind of Donald Trump. “After years and years of studying the issue from a scientific perspective—I’m joking, I’m joking—he has concluded that climate change is a hoax emanating from China. Now, why he chose China and not Mexico or some Muslim country, I don’t know.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/bernie-sanderss-hard-fight-for-hillary-clinton

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-packs-schedule-with-campaign-stops-for-hillary-clinton-1475928002

“On issue after issue, there should be no doubt in anybody’s mind as to whether Hillary Clinton is the superior candidate because in every respect she is,” Mr. Sanders said to the crowd of about 300 people. “I intend, as a United States senator, to do everything that I can between now and Election Day to make certain that Donald Trump does not become the next president of the United States.”

But Lois Corcoran, a former Sanders supporter who plans to vote for Ms. Stein, said she refused to accept the idea that people must vote for Mrs. Clinton if they do not want to see Mr. Trump in office. She said it would not be her fault if the businessman is elected and is frustrated that Mr. Sanders will not back Ms. Stein, who she believes shares more of his ideas.
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“I feel very betrayed by him,” said Ms. Corcoran, 52, of Charlestown, N.H. “He says it’s not the man, it’s the message, but yet he’s jumped over to the Democrats’ message.”

In his speech, Mr. Sanders, sensing that some of his supporters were still weighing whom to support, stressed that no candidate was perfect and that the election was not about personalities but about the “needs of the American people.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/06/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.html

Bernie is given no credit here for his strong support for Hillary's campaign and his strong opposition to Trump.

He couldn't convince Ms. Corcoran.

It was not his fault that Ms. Corcoran did not like Hillary.

Bernie was on stage with Hillary at times. He campaigned tirelessly for her. Didn't change a lot of minds, but he tried.

Thankfully, Bernie is not one to hold grudges. But I can't help but wonder where Bernie went wrong in totally supporting Hillary once he had lost the primary and had negotiated some very good changes in the platform. I personally believe HRC wd have made one of the finest of all American presidents if she had been elected, and I think that Bernie also believed in her great potential to be a great president.

And yet now, I can't figure out where all this piddly picking at Bernie's minor "mistakes" if they were mistakes and an ill-chosen word or two or whatnot has prompted an avalanche of disapproval on DU. If somebody can explain this to me I'd like to hear it. I can't see this constant demeaning of very honest Democrats on this site. I like Progressive Dems far more than the less progressive ones but I'm fine w/ the Dems that have reservations here or there. But no, this massive demeaning and denigration of Bernie is aimed at the mostly piddly-anny deficiencies. I just can't believe it on this site. I also wonder where it is coming from and if it's orchestrated.

I hope it doesn't destroy DU.

Barack Obama is the most popular politician in the country.

Sanders no longer appears on the list.

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Final_HHP_20Feb2018_RegisteredVoters_Topline_Memo.pdf

to be potential 2020 presidential candidates. As much as I love Obama - and, not surprisingly, he's still quite popular - this poll is simply not relevant.

Mike Pence is the most popular politician who is currently serving.

is Chuck Schumer, followed by Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and Dick Durbin. No other currently serving Democrat or Independent made the list.

http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Final_HHP_20Feb2018_RegisteredVoters_Topline_Memo.pdf

not the best indicator of attitudes in the country as a whole I think.

I do wonder however why Obama was not listed in the poll involving Bernie. Maybe that poll only covered politicians currently serving.

He’s helping Randy Bryce, who may well take the seat away from Paul Ryan, should Rtpyan choose to run again.

Replacing Paul Ryan would be a huge step forward - he has done nothing but enable Trump so we all need to get behind Randy Bryce no matter where we are!

About Bernie being the most popular politician in the US.

and the Harvard Harris internet poll?

I seem to have missed my selectivity blinders!

Here's the list of the 12 most popular political figures/politicians according to the poll.
1. Bernie Sanders
2. Mike Pence
3. Donald Trump
4. Hillary Clinton
5. Elizabeth Warren
6. Rex Tillerson
7. Nancy Pelosi
8. Paul Ryan
9. Chuck Schumer
10. Bob Corker
11. Stephen Bannon
12. Mitch McConnell

page 31:
http://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/HCAPS-October_Topline-Memo_with-banners_Registered-Voters_Current-Events.pdf

So where is Obama and others on that list? Hmmm so Pence, Trump, Tillerson, Ryan, Bannon and McConnell more popular than Obama? Not much of a poll.

Then there is this from the Consumer Advocate.

Sometimes I'm just not aware of the goliath I choose to engage.