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Very good interview with John Major by Robert Peston. He makes the obvious but rarely heard point that making trade deals as part of a 500m person block gives you way more strength that a 65m block.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)It is clear that a second one would vote "stay", which is the true sentiment, especially now.
OnDoutside
(19,969 posts)right thing to do. If they feel railroaded, I think they'd vote no again through sheer bloody mindedness. I said on the morning after the No vote that I didn't know how they were going to do it, but they will have another vote on this. It's been a tortuous process, and will result in massive humiliation for the British people, but some good might come out of this, in that they'll be an awful lot wiser about the benefits of EU membership, and more importantly for all of us, it will be the start of the fightback against Russian cyber aggression.
bucolic_frolic
(43,257 posts)Let's get used to the idea
tavernier
(12,396 posts)The King of Prussia
(737 posts)Is why the first referendum is being airbrushed from history, by all sides. Odd
OnDoutside
(19,969 posts)The King of Prussia
(737 posts)Not being funny but I can't remember the last time I heard it mentioned, by either side - so link me up please if you have a recent reference. Even the phrase "we need a second referendum" denies the existence of the first.
OnDoutside
(19,969 posts)The MP for North East Somerset said Britain voted three times to sever its ties with the European Union.
Two of the most recent vote were the General Election and the 2016 referendum.
Mr Rees-Mogg said: There were actually three votes around the referendum.
There was the General Election David Cameron won promising a referendum, there was the referendum itself and then there was last years General Election when the two major parties both said they would accept the result.
Farage
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/977263/Brexit-news-Nigel-Farage-Brexit-vote-John-Bercow-meaningful-vote
Mr Farage argued that regardless of how people voted in the EU referendum they now just want the Government to get on with it.
Before the key vote MPs were told that an official ministerial statement would be issued on Thursday making clear it is ultimately for Speaker John Bercow to decide whether they get a "meaningful vote" on a no-deal withdrawal from the EU.
As regards "Even the phrase "we need a second referendum" denies the existence of the first."
Surely "Even the phrase "we need a referendum"" wouldn't deny the existence of the first ? Second implies there was a first, no ?
The King of Prussia
(737 posts)Neither of the examples you quote refers to the first referendum.
For your information, the first referendum was in 1975, the second was in 2016. So saying that we need a "second" referendum now very clearly denies the existence of one of the others. As I said - airbrushed from history.
OnDoutside
(19,969 posts)anticipation for him to say, "have you airbrushed all the thousands of others you have had" ?
The King of Prussia
(737 posts)And I find the suggestion that it is offensive.
paleotn
(17,946 posts)by Russkie money and disinformation similar to the 2016 US elections. It's as tainted as the orange shitgibbon.
The King of Prussia
(737 posts)That is simply incorrect. No such suggestion has even been made.
OnDoutside
(19,969 posts)The King of Prussia
(737 posts)Cambridge Analytica was founded in 2013. Or does Norman Voles work for them?
OnDoutside
(19,969 posts)paleotn
(17,946 posts)wishes sometimes come true.
The King of Prussia
(737 posts)Provide one example of anyone suggesting that the first referendum, which took place in 1975, was in any way influenced by "Russkie money and disinformation".
I'm confident that you can't.
I'm not sure what you mean by "wishes sometime come true".
paleotn
(17,946 posts)I thought you were referring to the recent Brexit vote.