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brush

(53,783 posts)
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 08:13 PM Aug 2018

Horrible news, there is a Russian oligarch named Valdamir Potanin who owns a contract...

for voting machines in a local race in the D.C. area. I just talked to my daughter who has a friend who ran for a small office in Maryland and lost a close race. There had to be an audit and recount and she learned who had the contract for the machines and server holding the votes.

This is so upsetting to me that they've infiltrated their tentacles that deeply into our country's voting apparatus. This was just a small local race and it turns out there were more votes counted than registered voters.

Where else have the Russians infiltrated? Is this what happened with the 77,000 votes trump won by? Potanin purchased the contract in 2015 without state officials knowledge. Could easily have been done in other jurisdictions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Potanin

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Horrible news, there is a Russian oligarch named Valdamir Potanin who owns a contract... (Original Post) brush Aug 2018 OP
Maryland told its voter registration vendor financed by Russian oligarch irresistable Aug 2018 #1
First Four paragraphs from what I am sure is just more Russian hysteria: Anon-C Aug 2018 #4
I don't quite know what you're saying with your post but my daughter's friend in Maryland... brush Aug 2018 #7
That's my take. Anon-C Aug 2018 #8
Yup. Maryland is the tip of the iceberg. LuckyLib Aug 2018 #10
Time to 2naSalit Aug 2018 #2
Paper ballots, hand counted. Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #3
Arg LiberalLovinLug Aug 2018 #16
Some Democrats are. Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #21
I'm with you, LLL. kag Aug 2018 #23
Relax . Nothingburger lunasun Aug 2018 #5
We need a very careful blue-wave Aug 2018 #6
the press is going to have to expose it RussBLib Aug 2018 #9
Why would Democrats be balls-deep in helping themselves lose? brush Aug 2018 #14
watchdog press standing between the people and tyranny. nt Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #22
So much for outsourcing.... Farmergene Aug 2018 #11
I don't know how we can continue to hold elections on any level. Has it become a crap shoot? YOHABLO Aug 2018 #12
It could have been done easily. The Russians have infiltrated our government. Honeycombe8 Aug 2018 #13
Rand Paul just came back from Russia and just met with trump on the golf course... brush Aug 2018 #15
This story needs a higher profile. BlueWI Aug 2018 #17
I strongly suspect this has been happening for several years. TryLogic Aug 2018 #18
wait... so it's illegal for a Russian... Trueblue Texan Aug 2018 #19
Can't speak for other places, but if more votes tallied than actual registered voters, yellowdogintexas Aug 2018 #20
Read the story. Someone else posted a link to the Maryland/Russian story. brush Aug 2018 #24
This started with W Farmer-Rick Aug 2018 #27
K&R ck4829 Aug 2018 #25
Go to the papers. If they won't run it, buy space in a billboard. Squinch Aug 2018 #26

Anon-C

(3,430 posts)
4. First Four paragraphs from what I am sure is just more Russian hysteria:
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 08:38 PM
Aug 2018
Top Maryland officials say the FBI told them this week that the state's voter registration platform was purchased by a Russian oligarch in 2015, without state officials knowing. The FBI did not indicate a breach occurred, but state officials say they're moving forward with a full review.

"We were briefed late yesterday, along with Governor Hogan, by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that the software vendor who maintains portions of the State Board of Elections voter registration platform was purchased by a Russian investor in 2015, without the knowledge of state officials," Maryland State Senate President Thomas Mike Miller, Jr. and Maryland House Speaker Michael Busch, said in a joint statement Friday.

State officials say they were told they were told their voter registration system, ByteGrid LLC, is financed by AltPoint Capital Partners, whose fund manager is "a Russian" and largest investor is Russian oligarch Vladimir Potanin. ByteGrid LLC performs a vast array of voting-related functions for the state, including voter registration, the state's online voter registration system, online ballot delivery and unofficial election night results.

"While the FBI did not indicate that there was a breach, we were concerned enough to ask Attorney General [Brian] Frosh to review the existing contractual obligation of the state, as well as asked for a review of the system to ensure there have been no breaches," Miller and Busch said.

brush

(53,783 posts)
7. I don't quite know what you're saying with your post but my daughter's friend in Maryland...
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 09:40 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Sun Aug 19, 2018, 10:40 PM - Edit history (1)

just found this out because she ran and lost a close race that was audited, which is how she found out about this Russian oligarch.

Somehow I don't think this is an isolated incident involving just one obscure, local race in Maryland.

Did this and other hidden, Russian-affiliated companies influence the 2016 election and maybe are prepared to skew 2018 since we know the orange pustule's admin. has not done a thing, and won't, to protect our elections?

2naSalit

(86,636 posts)
2. Time to
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 08:19 PM
Aug 2018

march on our state capitols and demand paper ballots. We already have them in my state, I think it's state wide. I vote by mail.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
3. Paper ballots, hand counted.
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 08:21 PM
Aug 2018

The ONLY verifiable way to vote now.

Call in United Nations monitors if necessary.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
21. Some Democrats are.
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 11:31 PM
Aug 2018

Some states have the problem solved. Others are controlled by Republicans who want to be able to jiggle the totals.

It should be universal. Automatic registration if you have a SSN. Paper ballots. Hand counted. Vote by mail.

kag

(4,079 posts)
23. I'm with you, LLL.
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 11:35 PM
Aug 2018

THIS is the real voter fraud--that our elections systems are owned by Russian state actors, and no one in Congress seems to give a damn.

blue-wave

(4,356 posts)
6. We need a very careful
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 09:30 PM
Aug 2018

and thorough vetting of our entire government. We have a right to know, as American citizens, who is influencing or is attempting to influence and corrupt our system of government. We then must act expeditiously to correct the problem areas and strictly enforce and pass laws so that what we are witnessing at present never happens again. We have much work ahead. I hope we have the fortitude and wherewithal to see this through to the end.

RussBLib

(9,019 posts)
9. the press is going to have to expose it
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 09:58 PM
Aug 2018

because Congress won't, especially as long as they are run by the GOP.

In the back of my mind I harbor the fear that the Democrats are balls-deep in this shit too.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. It could have been done easily. The Russians have infiltrated our government.
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 10:27 PM
Aug 2018

This is how my junior high school teacher said that a foreign government would take over. She said it wouldn't be like in the movies, with troops marching down our streets. She said they would infiltrate the government, and infiltrate our country in other ways. Being in government was the key. Trump. No telling how long the Russians have been working on getting someone in the White House. I read somewhere that Russia started laundering money for Trump back in the 1980s.

They probably have been working other individuals, as well. But Trump did it for 'em. I wonder who else they've been grooming for the Presidency? For other political offices?

brush

(53,783 posts)
15. Rand Paul just came back from Russia and just met with trump on the golf course...
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 10:46 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:04 AM - Edit history (1)

where there are no hidden mics.

That slithery, opportunistic skunk wants to be next in line.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
17. This story needs a higher profile.
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 10:57 PM
Aug 2018

Thanks for the post. Every bit of info helps clarify the big picture and the challenge in front of us.

TryLogic

(1,723 posts)
18. I strongly suspect this has been happening for several years.
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 11:04 PM
Aug 2018

Too many times there were more votes than voters. Too many times the exit polls were "wrong". We have some serious work to do.

Trueblue Texan

(2,430 posts)
19. wait... so it's illegal for a Russian...
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 11:16 PM
Aug 2018

...to contribute to a political campaign but they can hold the contract to the voting machines? Is that true? If so, we are completely screwed.

yellowdogintexas

(22,256 posts)
20. Can't speak for other places, but if more votes tallied than actual registered voters,
Sun Aug 19, 2018, 11:19 PM
Aug 2018

I would know it within 3 seconds after I close the polls.
The tapes we run from the scanner and the electronic voting machines must total the number of names on the voter log my clerks record. They write down the name and voter ID number of every person who comes to vote. We post the number of votes every two hours on the front door of the location, and hand count the names on that list. If there are 40 names filled in, the tally better be 40 from the machines. If we are off, it's easy to look them up and count the voter signatures in the precinct log if we do it on schedule. At the end of the day, the totals from those sheets, & any spoiled or provisional ballots has to match the machine totals and equal the number of ballots removed from the sealed packages which come in the cabinet with the machines.

We have around 1500 registered voters in the average precinct here. Election Day vote generally totals much less than that. My biggest vote was March 2016, with 675 voting in person, in a precinct with 2000 voters. So if my tallies came up at over 2000, alarms would go off everywhere.

During early voting, totals are posted every two hours and verified with the lists. Total up at the end of the day must balance.

Believe me, if that number jumped up anywhere near the number of potential voters I'd be on the horn to Elections Central in about 3 seconds.

I'd know if the tallies indicated more votes than signed in voters because of that count every two hours

Farmer-Rick

(10,175 posts)
27. This started with W
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 07:42 AM
Aug 2018

More votes than people registered...everyone shrugged...remember the Amish supposedly voting for W? But No One cared enough to even check. So, now you got Russians in the middle of it.

Why didn't we do something before a foreign enemy got control of it?

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