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McCain flyover today. Now that's what you call thrust! (Original Post) mobeau69 Sep 2018 OP
Nice to see bakpakr Sep 2018 #1
Such a great ritual! nt Quixote1818 Sep 2018 #2
Thank you, mo Leghorn21 Sep 2018 #3
That demonstration of the plane's thrust blows me away. mobeau69 Sep 2018 #4
More thrust than weight you go vertical......... Bengus81 Sep 2018 #6
umm... LakeSuperiorView Sep 2018 #7
I remember an old air show act. JohnnyRingo Sep 2018 #31
Yes, if you have more thrust than weight, you can accelerate vertically. LakeSuperiorView Sep 2018 #32
Well done, Navy. TomSlick Sep 2018 #5
CAVU, Pilot sarge43 Sep 2018 #8
what is CAVU? I've never heard of it... CTyankee Sep 2018 #9
Ceiling and visibility unlimited. mobeau69 Sep 2018 #12
Thank you. That's lovely... CTyankee Sep 2018 #15
An airman's prayer and blessing sarge43 Sep 2018 #18
I'm assuming military and commercial ground control were working together. mobeau69 Sep 2018 #11
I'm sure they cleared it with ATC. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2018 #28
LOL! Thanks for posting. mobeau69 Sep 2018 #29
Very impressive! skylucy Sep 2018 #10
oh crap im crying agin... samnsara Sep 2018 #13
The Orange Nitwits thrust happens in pee soaked beds with Porn stars. tomhagen Sep 2018 #14
Nice work... ADX Sep 2018 #16
That is magnificent, McCain wanted his final rest peacebuzzard Sep 2018 #17
I thought I heard some loud planes AnnieBW Sep 2018 #19
My son and I were watching the Cubs at Wrigley on the day of the mobeau69 Sep 2018 #20
Just curious... DemocracyMouse Sep 2018 #21
It was loud Shanti Mama Sep 2018 #22
Oh no - KT2000 Sep 2018 #23
Beautiful tribute Az_lefty Sep 2018 #24
2 Suggestions for the Orange Clown djacq Sep 2018 #25
Great, thanks lordsummerisle Sep 2018 #26
Would this count as a military parade? (heh-heh-heh ...) fierywoman Sep 2018 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author 3Hotdogs Sep 2018 #30

mobeau69

(11,145 posts)
4. That demonstration of the plane's thrust blows me away.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:10 PM
Sep 2018

Not getting much lift at all in that maneuver!

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
7. umm...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:23 PM
Sep 2018

More thrust than weight you can accelerate vertically.........

It's not a cause and effect thing, I'm sure you know that. But some people might not.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
31. I remember an old air show act.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:38 PM
Sep 2018

It was back in the mid '70s at the Cleveland Air Show, and the F-15 Eagle was still new to the public. The twin engine F-15 was, I believe, the first aircraft with ability to accelerate into the vertical.

They had a hot shot officer hitting the airshow/recruiting circuit back then who would come down the runway low, slow, and dirtied up. Show center he would pull into the vertical and slow to a full stop at about 1000' AGL. I to this day don't know how he and early onboard computers held it there nose straight up for even a second with those P&W engines screeching.

Then into full burn, he lifted skyward at ever increasing acceleration until disappearing into the summer haze. Wow!

I havn't gone to the shows as often since the end of the Masters Of Disaster era, but I never saw anything approaching that again. A lot of people in the crowd seemed to wonder why I was making a big deal of it. They probably assumed all jet planes can fly like rockets.

 

LakeSuperiorView

(1,533 posts)
32. Yes, if you have more thrust than weight, you can accelerate vertically.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:50 PM
Sep 2018

My point being that it doesn't mean that if you go to full thrust you will automatically be going up vertically.

mobeau69

(11,145 posts)
11. I'm assuming military and commercial ground control were working together.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 07:50 PM
Sep 2018

That's pretty crowded airspace isn't it.


28. I'm sure they cleared it with ATC.
Mon Sep 3, 2018, 03:11 AM
Sep 2018

The FAA probably published a NOTAM (Notice To Airmen) telling pilots to stay out of the area during the funeral.

As an aside, once when we were picking up an Air Force C-141 from IRAN (Inspect and Replace As Necessary) the pilot asked for clearance to make an unlimited climb from takeoff to our cruise altitude of 28,000 ft. The controller approved it, assuming that a four-engine jet transport would climb at about 4,000 feet per minute. What he didn't know was that the aircraft had been totally stripped inside -- it was basically an empty tube with wings and four very powerful engines. Loaded with just enough fuel to get home we weighed less than half our usual takeoff weight.

From the moment we broke ground until we leveled off at FL280 it took just over two and a half minutes -- almost 12,000 feet per minute. Departure Control was beside himself: "Why didn't you tell me it was going to be an afterburner climb?"

The pilot paused a moment, keyed the mic and calmly said, "Look at our aircraft type..." (Other than the Concorde, transport aircraft don't have AB.)

When the controller finally responded, it was with a subdued instruction to change frequencies to Center.

 

ADX

(1,622 posts)
16. Nice work...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:07 PM
Sep 2018

...by the pilots flying the FA-18 Super Hornets of Strike Fighter Squadron -31: VFA-31 “Tomcatters”, VFA-32 “Swordsmen”, VFA-105 “Gunslingers”, and VFA-87 “War Party".

AnnieBW

(10,427 posts)
19. I thought I heard some loud planes
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:40 PM
Sep 2018

We're on the flight path to BWI. I hadn't heard a plane all afternoon, then I heard something that sounded like fast movers. I'm far enough away from Annapolis that I may just have heard the noise, rather than actually seen them. But, I've seen the Blue Angels before, and they're amazing!

mobeau69

(11,145 posts)
20. My son and I were watching the Cubs at Wrigley on the day of the
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:51 PM
Sep 2018

Chicago Air and Water Show a few years ago. When the Blue Angles circled around on the north-side a few times they flew right over the ball park. And they were still very low! It was cool.

DemocracyMouse

(2,275 posts)
21. Just curious...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:11 PM
Sep 2018

...and no disrespect towards the fly-over ritual (which is pretty impressive)... but are we transitioning to lithium powered fighter jets? I've heard that jet fuel is a huge contributer to the greenhouse effect (which is, technically speaking, our greatest enemy).

Shanti Mama

(1,288 posts)
22. It was loud
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:18 PM
Sep 2018

Scared me for a second. Right over the house. Sad that my first thought was... Please God don't let it be a war.
Then I remembered the fly over.

KT2000

(20,583 posts)
23. Oh no -
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:20 PM
Sep 2018


I can cry at just the sound of a powerful jet, but this - OMG. Like the riderless horse, so very sad.

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