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sl8

(13,779 posts)
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 12:46 PM Nov 2018

Are Electric Cars Worse For The Environment? Myth Busted



Are Electric Cars Worse For The Environment? Myth Busted
Engineering Explained

Published on Oct 31, 2018

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Electric cars are touted as a solution for reducing emissions and improving the environmental impacts of transportation, but are electric cars actually any better for the environment than gasoline cars? This video looks to answer three main questions:
1) Doesn't EV battery production cause a lot of emissions?
2) Don't electric cars get their power from fossil fuels?
3) Isn't lithium mining terrible for the environment?

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Are Electric Cars Worse For The Environment? Myth Busted (Original Post) sl8 Nov 2018 OP
Electric cars a a ruse thbobby Nov 2018 #1
I wish it wasn't always a decision of one or the other, as you point out. ffr Nov 2018 #4
Some of that was touched on briefly in the video Victor_c3 Nov 2018 #5
I imagine it comes down to the power generation source. David__77 Nov 2018 #2
He does address this. sl8 Nov 2018 #3
Anybody who believes in evidence and science knows electric cars are better for the environment. Nitram Nov 2018 #6

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
1. Electric cars a a ruse
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 01:23 PM
Nov 2018

The electric power they use must come from somewhere. Converting fossil fuel to electric power sacrifices some energy for the conversion. The environmental damage of producing them is significant. They are much more expensive than standard vehicles.

How about public transportation, bicycles, carbon tax, efficient city design, fuel use standards. All of these would eliminate more pollution than electric cars.

Electric cars are a gimmick so that people can feel they are protecting the environment without making a real sacrifice.

And what about population control?

ffr

(22,670 posts)
4. I wish it wasn't always a decision of one or the other, as you point out.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:11 PM
Nov 2018

Because the inevitable outcome is that everyone loses, just as Hillary didn't win because she wasn't liberal or too liberal or too middle of the road of WTF ever the excuse was not to cast votes for her. In that case, the important thing was that a democrat won, because a democrat would be infinitely better than any republican.

Yes, in your post you are technically correct, but you fail to recognize that humans are slow to react to change. My family are buying 100% EVs and doing our part to drive perception that EVs are practical. We also do everything within our power and wallet to change how public electricity is produced. One of my siblings is already 250% beyond their electrical use, because even though solar power isn't 100% clean, it is the best solution possible for a sustainable future. Their household is running a $1,300/month negative balance with their utility.

Everyone in every state and country needs to tell their government officials to build more wind and solar facilities and shut down unsustainable coal and nuclear power plants. Any change towards sustainable is better than failing at the stubborn decision of those who only know all or nothing.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
5. Some of that was touched on briefly in the video
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 04:16 PM
Nov 2018

Using a 3,000 pound vehicle to transport a 150 pound person is by no means ever efficient.

Good urban design, as you mentioned, would make a huge impact. I love European cities with people living within walk/bike distance from where they shop, work, and go to school and abundant public transportation.

Electric cars are a step, although a small one, in a better direction. There needs to be a paradigm shift in other aspects of how we think we should live our lives, but again I’m mostly just echoing what you said.

Population is slowly reaching its projected upper limit and is projected to be heading down. I’ve read a number of articles correlating female literacy rates with a decreased birth rate. You feed and educate poor people (especially girls and women) and things get better. However, it all comes back to consumption.

As a species and society, we’ve gotta get away from our addiction to consumption and excess. Star-Trek like technologies of clean fusion and replicators would solve that, but that doesn’t exist in real life. We’re going to have to do it the hard way and just plain accept that we don’t all get to have giant houses, perfectly manicured yards, and pounds of meat to consume at our whim.

David__77

(23,418 posts)
2. I imagine it comes down to the power generation source.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:18 PM
Nov 2018

If it was all non-fossil fuels, then I would think it would be cleaner.

sl8

(13,779 posts)
3. He does address this.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 02:45 PM
Nov 2018

He compares emissions for an Idaho (mostly hydroelectric) vehicle with that of a West Virginia (mostly coal) vehicle.

Nitram

(22,802 posts)
6. Anybody who believes in evidence and science knows electric cars are better for the environment.
Sat Nov 10, 2018, 10:54 PM
Nov 2018

The only people who don't believe that are Republicans. They don't believe in climate change either. They don't believe in science.

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