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Quixote1818
(28,989 posts)Guppy
(444 posts)they would try to kill it if possible. It cuts into their donors. Someone should ask the Koch boys since they went to MIT.
Quixote1818
(28,989 posts)China wants all cars battery powered by 2030.
PirateRo
(933 posts)Its good to be the immigrant and bring your ideas, hopes and dreams to an open society where even the least among us are one or two generations from ideas that change the world! My deepest respects to Professor Sadoway and his team. I have watched this company for years. Delighted to see them moving ahead.
Now we need useful representation to carry it forward in the Senate, Office if the Peesidency and the Court. We must accelerate change, including to our economic system to ensure we leave no one behind.
femmedem
(8,208 posts)Looking forward to hearing more from you.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,026 posts)gristy
(10,667 posts)Looks like a bunch of hype. I didn't see any key metrics or comparison of metrics to other energy storage methods. Cost per kW-hr of capacity, charge/recharge efficiency, lifetime... None of it.
mucifer
(23,576 posts)Quixote1818
(28,989 posts)Doesn't go into too much detail, however what seems to set them apart is that they last up to 15 years without the loss of efficiency. An issue lithium batteries have.
Quixote1818
(28,989 posts)Thanks for putting this up. Never would have heard about this research. Very interesting.
hunter
(38,337 posts)Maybe this battery...
https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/ambri-returns-to-the-energy-storage-hunt-with-liquid-metal-battery-redesign
All batteries suck, each type in its own special way.
Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)I'm curious how you came to that conclusion?
Been off-grid since 1998 using photovoltaics for the entire time. Getting ready to put in our BIG system in 2019 in order to take advantage of the ITC credit before it is gradually phased out.
If you've got some useful information that can help me select the 48volt battery bank that "sucks" the least I'd be grateful if you'd share your insight and experience.
Thanks
hunter
(38,337 posts)... but only in places where battery recycling is heavily regulated to protect the environment and workers. That hasn't always been the case, even in 21st century California.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-exide-cleanup-story-so-far-20151121-story.html
In some places lead acid battery recycling is a nightmare. Many international organizations won't support solar and wind projects that use them.
Breaking batteries open with hatchets, letting the acid spill out onto the ground, and throwing the lead plates into open crucibles is a bad idea. There's a scary photo here:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/oct/25/backyard-battery-recycling-is-biggest-chemical-polluter-for-poorer-nations
From an environmental perspective I'm not sure more expensive technologies like Lithium batteries (for example Teslas's Power Wall) or Nickel-Iron batteries are superior. Much of the cobalt used in various lithium battery chemistries has been mined by children and slaves.
https://www.dw.com/en/child-labor-still-rife-in-democratic-republic-of-congo/a-39194724
Lithium iron phosphate batteries don't use cobalt.
The lead-acid battery recycling industry is well established, the lithium battery recycling industry isn't yet, and will have to cope with a variety of lithium battery chemistries.
https://waste-management-world.com/a/in-depth-lithium-battery-recycling-the-clean-energy-clean-up
I'm no expert, just some bloke on the internet who has suffered fork lift, UPS, and laptop batteries, who is still waiting for the perfect battery.