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Black Hawk helicopters' war games in downtown Minneapolis (Original Post) midnight Aug 2012 OP
Stop posting on DU!! cdb120 Aug 2012 #1
I wonder if your able to cope with subject matter that midnight Aug 2012 #11
Looks like they're practicing strafing the ground with machine guns. -Or- Lint Head Aug 2012 #2
There were announcements of this in both MineralMan Aug 2012 #3
Are you a resident of that area? midnight Aug 2012 #7
I live in St. Paul MineralMan Aug 2012 #17
My father was born there... midnight Aug 2012 #23
As taxpayers, how much is this costing us? Ishoutandscream2 Aug 2012 #4
purchase price = 5.9 million a piece 3128 Aug 2012 #5
Just wow.... I wonder how the deficit hawks feel about this expenditure? midnight Aug 2012 #16
I'm sure they feel just fine. 3128 Aug 2012 #19
Good question.... I didn't think of that as much of the safety risk because these things have some midnight Aug 2012 #8
GPS malfunction gael Aug 2012 #6
I wonder if they were practicing with their night goggles on... midnight Aug 2012 #9
Capital city of Minnesota, St Paul is east of the Mississippi gael Aug 2012 #12
So the helicopters were doing secret training with the police and it's so secret they thought they midnight Aug 2012 #15
Any local residents who bother to read the local MineralMan Aug 2012 #18
In the summit hill neighborhood I was told those residence heard it loud and clear.... midnight Aug 2012 #24
I wouldn't be surprised that they did. MineralMan Aug 2012 #27
Actually, they're training in both cities. MineralMan Aug 2012 #21
did the viking players do something stupid again? dembotoz Aug 2012 #10
Bars were still open gael Aug 2012 #13
Where is StringFellow Hawk when you need him? AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #14
Wait till they start doing it with smaller drone types. marble falls Aug 2012 #20
The University of Minnesota's Aeronautical Engineering Department has an MineralMan Aug 2012 #22
I hope they aren't working for monsanto... midnight Aug 2012 #25
Uff da! You're really not paying attention, you know. MineralMan Aug 2012 #28
A different concern doesn't equate to not paying attention.... midnight Aug 2012 #29
What a waste of money. nt snappyturtle Aug 2012 #26
New installment of "The Matrix"? HopeHoops Aug 2012 #30

midnight

(26,624 posts)
11. I wonder if your able to cope with subject matter that
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:30 PM
Aug 2012

you have no interest in, and therefore think others shouldn't either?

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
2. Looks like they're practicing strafing the ground with machine guns. -Or-
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 02:34 PM
Aug 2012

Maybe there is an action movie being filmed and they will CGI the gunfire in post production.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
3. There were announcements of this in both
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 02:40 PM
Aug 2012

metro area newspapers last week. I'm not sure what the local TV news did about that. But, reading the newspaper alerted people of this happening. I'm sure it will come as a big surprise to many people, though.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
7. Are you a resident of that area?
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:11 PM
Aug 2012

Please share with the rest of us what the local newspaper alerted the residence on this matter-greatly appreciated..

I'm looking for news, and so far have this: There is a commercial, then the news shows the same video I posted with vague info. about military training police for special ops... They are requesting more info. On this matter, so if you know more than this-please share...

http://www.startribune.com/video/167860145.html#/167860145/video/1/eps

Black Hawk helicopters over Minneapolis

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
17. I live in St. Paul
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:53 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Wed Aug 29, 2012, 08:27 PM - Edit history (1)

The entire operation was described in the Pioneer Press, with descriptions of the helicopters, etc. That was last week. So, when it happened, I wasn't at all surprised. WCCO television also notified people of the exercise. I read my local newspaper and watch my daily TV local news. That's how I know what's going on. It's a great idea. This was an exercise that has been planned for some time, with the object of familiarizing the people involved with the local conditions, buildings, etc. That training will be used in case of some terrorist attack, as unlikely as that may seem.

So many people are surprised by well-publicized events. I guess they don't bother to keep up with their local news.

BTW, tonight, I learned about the St. Paul police officer who assaulted a man during an arrest. Video and everything. The WCCO 5PM news covered it, with a follow up, including an interview with the police chief at 6 PM. How would I know what is going on without following the news?

Local residents who pay attention were not surprised by this. It got plenty of local coverage in advance.

Are you a resident of the Twin Cities? If so, how is it that you did not know this was taking place?

 

3128

(30 posts)
5. purchase price = 5.9 million a piece
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 03:47 PM
Aug 2012

Cost estimates for operating a UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter are $4,600 per hour and up. The total depends on what is counted, such as maintenance costs, crew pay, fuel and other expenses.

 

3128

(30 posts)
19. I'm sure they feel just fine.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:57 PM
Aug 2012

They will pay any price and assume any burden.
To keep the US military as big and expensive as it wants to be!

midnight

(26,624 posts)
8. Good question.... I didn't think of that as much of the safety risk because these things have some
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:21 PM
Aug 2012

kind of problem with the wings that make them crash..

midnight

(26,624 posts)
9. I wonder if they were practicing with their night goggles on...
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:23 PM
Aug 2012

What do you mean by GPS malfunction?

gael

(35 posts)
12. Capital city of Minnesota, St Paul is east of the Mississippi
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:40 PM
Aug 2012

River, and by the way it was loud enough to be heard west of the river, in Minneapolis.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
15. So the helicopters were doing secret training with the police and it's so secret they thought they
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 06:00 PM
Aug 2012

were in Minneapolis, but they were actually in St. Paul? And since the print media let everyone know this was going on, according to mineral's post, residence were prepared for the training exercise?????

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
18. Any local residents who bother to read the local
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 07:57 PM
Aug 2012

newspaper or watch the local news on TV knew about this exercise. So, yes, they were prepared. People who didn't were not aware, and are almost never aware. It is good to know what is happening in your area. I did not hear the helicopters, since I live in a neighborhood of St. Paul far from the downtown area. But I did know there was an exercise planned.

Do you live in the Twin Cities?

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
27. I wouldn't be surprised that they did.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 08:39 AM
Aug 2012

It's close to the downtown area. St. Paul is quite large. I live in the northeast corner of the city, about as far from the downtown area as you can get.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
21. Actually, they're training in both cities.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:04 PM
Aug 2012

and residents who were paying attention to the news knew about it in advance, as I did. You'd be surprised at the preparations here in the Twin Cities. We have a major shipping system running on the Mississippi River that runs through both cities. There's a major airport here, too. It's, you know, like a really big place. Our state capital is in St. Paul. We're a major food manufacturing city and a lot of goods pass through here, too.

Maybe you're not familiar with the place. I have no idea. But, this is not all that much of a secret. At least once a year, helicopters fly around the area for National Guard training, as well. We're used to helicopters here in the big cities. We don't pay that much attention to them, really. The little mosquito control district choppers are way more interesting, since we have so many lakes and ponds in the cities. They do some really fancy maneuvering right in neighborhoods, dropping a bacterial mosquito killing mix on our lakes.

We have, like freeways, too, and several universities, and all that stuff. We're used to stuff flying in the air here. My house is on the landing pattern for the St. Paul Downtown Airport, a busy business jet airport, and planes from MSP also fly over during busy periods.

We're kinda used to modern stuff like that, doncha know?

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
22. The University of Minnesota's Aeronautical Engineering Department has an
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:06 PM
Aug 2012

active drone development program. They're developing drones to be used in agricultural applications. I see one flying from time to time. We have, like, all that modern technology here in the flyover, you see. It's a great place to live, with a thriving economy that has weathered the downturn better than most areas. You should come here and see it for yourself.

MineralMan

(146,325 posts)
28. Uff da! You're really not paying attention, you know.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:29 AM
Aug 2012

I don't know who they're working for, actually. I do know that aerial photography is important for farmers. It lets them see their crops from a better perspective and spot problems while they can still be corrected. It's expensive, though. So, I imagine that these agricultural drones will be used primarily for that purpose. I'm not sure why Monsanto would be that interested, though. I do know that virtually every Minnesota farm growing soybeans or corn is growing GMO hybrids anyhow, with the exception of a few small ones growing corn to be sold for people who like corn on the cob.

Not all uses of drones are something to be afraid of, you know.

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