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AUTOMATION NATION (Original Post) appalachiablue Oct 2019 OP
The rich get richer and... mysteryowl Oct 2019 #1
Doubtful, the tech is coming, there's much $ in replacing human labor as Yang appalachiablue Oct 2019 #2
Your avatar, did Hitler really rock himself like that? mysteryowl Oct 2019 #4
The gif image is from the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. AH was no doubt appalachiablue Oct 2019 #5
Okay, I get it. mysteryowl Oct 2019 #6
That's interesting, I can see how the moving would impact shaking. appalachiablue Oct 2019 #8
The argument... Newest Reality Oct 2019 #3
Appreciate your thoughts on this heavy issue. I've read some other appalachiablue Oct 2019 #7

mysteryowl

(7,390 posts)
1. The rich get richer and...
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:23 AM
Oct 2019

Just because this can be done, does not mean it should be done. We need to put a cap on technology. Enough already!

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)
2. Doubtful, the tech is coming, there's much $ in replacing human labor as Yang
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:43 AM
Oct 2019

says. How the earth and humans survive the next 10-20+ years (and beyond) of automation, authoritarian governments and climate change is unknown to many. Thinking about it all is overwhelming at times, preparations for the people should have been made years ago, a real dilemma. Hope for the best.

mysteryowl

(7,390 posts)
4. Your avatar, did Hitler really rock himself like that?
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:51 AM
Oct 2019

I seriously think the indigenous of the planet could save us, if only we would listen and take heed.

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)
5. The gif image is from the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. AH was no doubt
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:09 AM
Oct 2019

having a good time, moving back and forth ('rocking') to see the games, *but this film footage is sped up faster to look even wackier. (See actual film below).

He had many health problems, was taking feel good meds prescribed by Dr. Morrell- like speed/meth, etc. Who knows how high he was during those terrible years; his health was really shot towards the end.

There's famous film footage of Hitler (below) at the end days greetings boys, 'Reich Youth defenders' in Berlin, and you can see his one hand behind his back is really shaking, like he has Parkinson's or another serious neurological issue.

~ I agree about listening to indigenous peoples who possess wisdom, and skills we no longer use.



Hitler's secret illness exposed- Parkinsons?




Berlin, 1936 Olympics, actual speed.

mysteryowl

(7,390 posts)
6. Okay, I get it.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:21 AM
Oct 2019

I have a friend with Parkinson's disease. He needs to keep moving to calm the shaking. It is a coping strategy that helped him. This rocking of AH would be the same, I am assuming. He is trying to manage symptoms. Sitting for an event would be very difficult for my friend.

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)
8. That's interesting, I can see how the moving would impact shaking.
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:31 AM
Oct 2019

In looking at the actual slower film of Hitler it does seem like the rocking is more than normal excitement, and so maybe is helping to counter some type of discomfort or pain.

Der Fuhrer's left hand and arm are almost immobile, there's very little movement-- and that's the hand that is trembling in the later film.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
3. The argument...
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 09:45 AM
Oct 2019

The argument being made that this wave of technology is going to be similar to the past is specious.

When you are invested in something and determined to continue it, you pitch it and, as we have seen accentuate the positive aspects of it while downplaying the negative. It is a corporate paradigm.

The UBI would at least mitigate this, (I think the question of what we all will do is something WE can deal with) because, unless the techno-utopia is only going to be for a small percentage of the global population, the "consumer" and their numbers is an equally important part of the capitalist equation, even though that is not being emphasized enough; it is a circle, break it and it does not work.

If we continue with Republican views on our general welfare, then this is going to be a real nightmare, that's for sure. We need to start dealing with the impact of this now, not after the fact when scores of people become destitute and homeless, because ignoring it like we do now won't be all that easy.

As people react with shock and amazement with a puzzled look about it, this is a serious crises in the making if people and their well being is going to be framed as an aside or based on some faulty predictions based on a far different past. Many variables have changed and the dynamic is not that similar anymore, to me.

appalachiablue

(41,144 posts)
7. Appreciate your thoughts on this heavy issue. I've read some other
Fri Oct 25, 2019, 10:23 AM
Oct 2019

posters, mostly here who also mention the foreseeable problem with the lack of a consumer base to buy stuff and perpetuate a functioning economic system. And I hope the tech specialists are off on their predictions.

Yes, preparation for the many who will become unemployed in the next decade and beyond has to begin, yet I don't know where that will originate esp. given the vicious, selfish nature of so many individuals and groups in power. First up job losses, as Yang and other reporters have been emphasizing will be in the transportation field, then restaurants, clerks and more.. scary.

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