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"I think we're just too stupid for Democracy" (Original Post) orangecrush May 2020 OP
Half of us are. demosincebirth May 2020 #1
.... orangecrush May 2020 #2
The rest of us voted for Obama twice. dawg day May 2020 #3
"smart enough' Pantagruel May 2020 #4
Well, we who are smart are smart enough. :) dawg day May 2020 #7
Damn orangecrush May 2020 #9
Holy crap! RVN VET71 May 2020 #10
The MAGATs are a minority. Newest Reality May 2020 #5
Yeah, but that's not how things actually work. Warpy May 2020 #6
This is fascinating. You should make an OP of this. rhiannon55 May 2020 #11
I have had Right Winger patriots Chainfire May 2020 #8

RVN VET71

(2,694 posts)
10. Holy crap!
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:03 AM
May 2020

Too stupid for Democracy or too stupid to live?

I wouldn't join in any of the MAGA protests against keeping the population safe from a deadly virus, but I would like to know how many of these sweaty, spit-spritzing are holes will contract the virus and die? Seriously, it may be that stupidity grants a fair number of the stupids a kind of herd immunity, an immunity that is lost when your cerebral cortex is activated.

Or not. Time and data gathering will tell.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
5. The MAGATs are a minority.
Sat May 16, 2020, 07:39 PM
May 2020

MAGATs get far too much attention and therefore seem that they are a larger percentage than they are. Media likes sideshows, circus acts, clowns and performers. The excitement of it it only comes second to the attention and ad sales from, if it bleeds, it leads. Profit!

Just off the top of my hat, from the poles in the past, I have more often seen that the majority of Americans prefer some very beneficial, sensible and essential things, overall. Yet, we don't get them. So, democracy is not bad or undeserved in that sense, it is more often ignored or under served.

The band of believers that didn't get a good education and have no idea that freedom comes with responsibilities and is reciprocal actually are a good reason for democracy because we can keep in mind that they are not representative of the whole or a majority and maybe we should both keep that in mind and make a bigger deal out of it.

Democracy rules! It also works, when it is unshackled from manipulative, vested interests that pervert and subvert the people's will or even place barriers before it. Ah, who got the popular vote?

Warpy

(111,309 posts)
6. Yeah, but that's not how things actually work.
Sat May 16, 2020, 07:44 PM
May 2020


The problem now is that we have 2 groups engaging in groupthink (of course, we always think we're part of the correct group) and the margin between them really isn't great enough to determine much of anything, which is why we have a government blithely governing against the will of the majority.

What we need to do is expand voting, not contract it. Get some of those unsophisticated, apathetic people in there casting ballots. Focus groups are already doing this on a small scale, but they tend to err on the side of the witless who don't know enough to start asking any questions. Politics needs to include the alienated majority; focus groups need to include a few of the suspicious minority.

There are a lot of videos out there that are somewhat longer that describe the phenomenon and its use for determining everything from credit worthiness to locating a sunken nuclear submarine. In the latter case, a roomful of experts were all far off the mark, but the average turned out to be 600 yards from where the sub was finally found.

Individually, morons are morons. Put them into a large enough group, and they become an incredibly powerful problem solving tool. This is the foundation of democracy, but suffrage needs to be universal and voting needs to be compulsory for it to work.

Chainfire

(17,582 posts)
8. I have had Right Winger patriots
Sat May 16, 2020, 08:01 PM
May 2020

tell me, straight up, that majority rule is "mob rule."

We will find out if we are too stupid for Democracy in November.

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