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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 12:02 PM Sep 2012

Thom Hartmann vs Carrie Lukas: Should we really be banning Super Size Sodas?



(From Monday's show) Thom Hartmann talks with Carrie Lukas,Managing Director-Independent Womens Forum Website: www.iwf.org, about New York City's ban on Sugary drinks larger than 16 oz.

Lukas compared the soda ban to laws against prostitution or cannabis. But Hartmann concluded that the experiment with free consumer choice of Big Gulps was detrimental to public health. Lukas also made a ridiculous comparison of the soda ban with Obamacare.
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Thom Hartmann vs Carrie Lukas: Should we really be banning Super Size Sodas? (Original Post) alp227 Sep 2012 OP
I saw this yesterday. fasttense Sep 2012 #1
Good suggestion, call the show with this idea then. alp227 Sep 2012 #3
Carrie Lukas = Coo-koo for Coconuts mikeysnot Sep 2012 #2
Carrie Lukas was not the most articulate advocate for her position... jjewell Sep 2012 #4
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
1. I saw this yesterday.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 01:04 PM
Sep 2012

It's a good debate but Thom never said what I think is the biggest argument for this ban on giant sugary drinks.

What gives any corporation, business or company the right to sell anything in our American markets? Most corporations pay so little in taxes that their existence as a net benefit to society is severely questionable. They claim to be "job creators" but the jobs they throw out there are getting stingier and stingier as they wipe away unions and take away benefits and decent pay. So, they don't really support the infrastructure they use daily to sell their crap to us. They are NOT voted in or even selected by consumers (as many of the corporations are nothing but regional monopolies).

They are leeches, and as leeches we have a right to ban any and all products they may decide to sell. They have no intrinsic right to sell giant sugary drinks, oil or even real food here in our American markets unless we let them. And if one of our elected leaders and our government supported by the people decide they don't want their giant drinks sold in our markets so be it. No one is saying a person can't drink giant drinks, they are just saying corporations can't sell their giant drinks in New York and most people in New York agree.

Corporations are NOT people and they have no right to sell anything here in the US.

alp227

(32,034 posts)
3. Good suggestion, call the show with this idea then.
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 11:13 PM
Sep 2012

Thom could have easily said something like people who want the super size drinks can create them AT HOME for themselves, not for profit though.

Just like for trans fat. if people want trans fatty food they should learn to cook those foods themselves.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
2. Carrie Lukas = Coo-koo for Coconuts
Tue Sep 18, 2012, 03:37 PM
Sep 2012

Why do all the so called "conservatives" argue the same way?

1. Answer a direct question with a question.
2. Feign outrage at out of control government.
3. Use of broad sweeping generalizations and labels.
4. False equivalence comparisons and analogies.
5. Filibuster the argument by arguing in circles.
6. Feign outrage when you get interrupted for arguing in circles(she did not do that but most do)
7. Condescending attitude to go along with feigned outrage while debating.
8. Agree to disagree.

jjewell

(618 posts)
4. Carrie Lukas was not the most articulate advocate for her position...
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:27 AM
Sep 2012

...but I'm in agreement with her main point. I'm a free American adult, and I don't need a Mayor or government telling
me how much soda pop I can drink. Or how much food I can eat. And I don't even drink soda pop, nor am I in the least
bit overweight. I don't need the government trying to "save me from myself" because, in the final analysis, it's an act of futility.

Or hasn't anyone noticed that life itself is fatal??

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