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Did Anonymous stop Karl Rove from Stealing Ohio again? (Original Post) geefloyd46 Nov 2012 OP
Ham SamKnause Nov 2012 #1
Jesus Fucking Christ = Restoring Reason to Election Integrity Madness Coyotl Nov 2012 #2
discussed here: Coyotl Nov 2012 #3
A dumbfounded Karl Rove wxgeek7 Nov 2012 #4
does he always stammer like that? ginnyinWI Nov 2012 #11
Bullshista! longship Nov 2012 #5
+ struggle4progress Nov 2012 #9
+1 freshwest Nov 2012 #17
+2 john-davidnj5 Nov 2012 #20
Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #22
In a word .... No! Botany Nov 2012 #6
The Democratic voters of Ohio kept Romney from winning Ohio n/t melody Nov 2012 #7
If you wish to entertain your IT friends, show them that letter. jeff47 Nov 2012 #8
I am an IT person, and it makes COMPLETE sense! n/t RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #13
Uh-huh. Then explain the "digital tunnels" part. jeff47 Nov 2012 #15
SSH? MannyGoldstein Nov 2012 #16
They claim "false tunnels". Explain a false SSH connection. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #18
False tunnels = VPNs SSH that are very easy to break into. RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #19
Which serve what purpose? jeff47 Nov 2012 #21
Your post proves RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #23
Uh-huh. I note you didn't bother trying to explain exactly what's wrong. jeff47 Nov 2012 #24
Another point. RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #29
So Anonymous is so dumb they can't make a fake gmail account? jeff47 Nov 2012 #31
I guess you want me to write a network manual? RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #28
Well then apparently I can keep talking. jeff47 Nov 2012 #30
Normally, I think CTs are just loony. Jack Rabbit Nov 2012 #10
well even Lee Atwater ginnyinWI Nov 2012 #12
I won't hold my breath for Rove to come clean, even on his deathbed Jack Rabbit Nov 2012 #14
Rove was indeed firewalled, no doubt about it. deluser Nov 2012 #25
Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #27
are people going to prison or not! 02potato Nov 2012 #26

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
11. does he always stammer like that?
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:11 PM
Nov 2012

He does seem rattled. But it could be just hubris--they were all so confident that Obama just couldn't get the vote out like he did in '08. Or he was expecting that his fix would work.

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. Bullshista!
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:44 PM
Nov 2012

Some idiot posts a video online claiming... post hoc... that they protected the world from a Romney presidency.

On 6 November I wished a unicorn who farts rainbows into my garden. It gave me one wish. I wished for an Obama win and additional seats in both the House and the Senate for the Democratic party.

You don't believe it? Well then prove me wrong!!!! I dare you!!!

It's rubbish. Thom Hartman has fallen down the rabbit hole.

Screw this Bullshista. And screw Thom Hartman. No wonder he can only get a forum on RT, conspiracy central.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. If you wish to entertain your IT friends, show them that letter.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:35 PM
Nov 2012

It makes utterly no sense. It's an incoherent bundling of buzzwords.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. Uh-huh. Then explain the "digital tunnels" part.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:54 PM
Nov 2012

Because that is utterly wrong. Closest thing that would make sense would be a VPN. Which actual hackers would call a VPN. But the rest of their description does not match a VPN.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
21. Which serve what purpose?
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:30 PM
Nov 2012

If you have a set of SSH sessions with a weak key and another set with a strong key, that is obvious from the outside. Those "weak" connections aren't going to do you any good.

Also, one can not create an SSH or VPN session with "nothing" on the other side. It has to connect to something. If you meant a connection that wasn't doing any work, that is also obvious from the outside - you can see that few or no packets are being sent, even if you can't read the contents of the packets.

Additionally, if Anonymous can crack into "strong" SSH or VPN sessions in order to block Rove's efforts, then it's even more important for them to go public so those protocols can be fixed - lots of critical things rely on those protocols working as the math says. And I have a lot of trouble believing a random guy in Anonymous figured this out when millions of PHDs and other analysts can't figure out a way to break it.

So again, the letter still makes no technical sense.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
23. Your post proves
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 05:49 PM
Nov 2012

That you do not understand these networking concepts. I believe that this is why you do not believe that the letter makes no sense.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
24. Uh-huh. I note you didn't bother trying to explain exactly what's wrong.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 07:37 PM
Nov 2012

That makes your post completely believable.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
29. Another point.
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:28 AM
Nov 2012

Do you think that the folks in Anonymous want to end up in a similar situation as Bradley Manning? (Not the same situation, because of the military implications) Surely if Anonymous posted something it would be viewed by those in the Justice Department as a crime. Not to mention some of those people in government would feel that it would make people lose faith in the election systems in the US, and thus, call them terrorists.
But I guess to some, it wouldn't matter if someone who did this ended up in Guantanamo.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
31. So Anonymous is so dumb they can't make a fake gmail account?
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:56 AM
Nov 2012

An international organization is incapable of hosting a web site outside the US?

These guys are super-hackers that can thwart Rove, but they're so dumb they can't cover their tracks when publishing their findings?

They've never heard of TOR?

They can't simultaneously be geniuses and morons in the same subject.

Anyway, the gigantic point you are missing:

The way to replace the DRE machines quickly is to publish an election-day hack. All 'hacks' so far have required access to the ports on the voting machines or the software running on the voting machines/tabulators. The various Secretaries of State can pretend that blocking the ports and protecting the software has them covered.

This hack, if it happened, would explode all that. It would make it very easy to get the SoS to replace the machines.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
28. I guess you want me to write a network manual?
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 02:05 PM
Nov 2012

I'm sorry, but I don't think that any one of us should have to write a networking manual for anyone. People wouldn't understand it. These things are complicated, and Anonymous uses colorful language to describe it. Sometimes archaic, but colorful.

I don't understand why these people keep insisting that Anonymous reveal their code, and paint a great big target on their back.

The concepts of advanced networking are not for the uninitiated into the field. Most of our techs don't understand how a lot of this stuff works. No matter how simple it's explained to them.

So unless you are a network administrator, network technician, systems programmer, or the like, YOU should simply STFU!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
30. Well then apparently I can keep talking.
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:50 AM
Nov 2012

Since I'm one of the coveted positions you assert are the only ones that can talk.

You could just point out which sentence of mine you find objectionable. I'll happily explain it to you.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
10. Normally, I think CTs are just loony.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:07 PM
Nov 2012

This one comes with enough prior information to make it worth looking at.

We know something was up in Ohio. Secretary Husted, to the last minute, was doing everything he could to give The Twit an unfair advantage. His co-conspirator in this instance would be Karl Rove, and there is very little, including murder, that I would put past Rove. That is not to say he ever murdered anyone, but I don't think it's beyond him. He was almost certainly in on the plot to steal Ohio's vote in 2004. There is evidence to suggest that what is talked about here was in fact done in Ohio in 2004. And Anonymous has the capability to do what it, or whoever is claiming to be from Anonymous, claims to have done in this instance.

The only person we can name who could confirm that this is factual is Karl Rove himself, or any of his worker bees. Of course, Rove is not going to confirm it, since to do so would be incriminating.

So, this is one CT that is quite possibly true.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
14. I won't hold my breath for Rove to come clean, even on his deathbed
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:15 PM
Nov 2012

That bastard is arrogant enough to think he can tell God what to do.

deluser

(1 post)
25. Rove was indeed firewalled, no doubt about it.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:07 PM
Nov 2012

Leaving aside any thought of what Rove intended to do, let's try to find out if any firewall was actually in place.

Assume for a moment that someone had blocked access from Fox studios in NY, to the Ohio Sec of State website. What would happen?
1. When they tried to use a fox computer, the SoS website would time-out.
2. Fox would still need that data, and some staffer (maybe Rove himself) would quickly figure out the workaround, forwarding data from some non-firewalled computer, to the fox studios.
This is exactly what happened, Rove said so.
Quoted At 1:30 of the video linked below. "... secretary of state website... I have the director of the Ohio campaign for Romney ON THE OTHER END OF THE LINE refreshing the page every few seconds."
This is positive proof that Rove was firewalled in some manner. The SofS website was operating properly, but Rove could not access it from his location. There is no other explanation for why he was getting this particular data from the Ohio director.

Moving further, let's imagine that the people who created the firewall had been quite effectively playing games with the Romney campaign's ORCA project all day long. They are laughing as Rove stammers "I'm getting my data from Ohio's campaign director". What would the hackers do? They'd block Ohio's campaign director as well.
This is exactly what happened, Rove said so.
Quoted At 3:50 of the video linked below. "Apparently the website has been crashed, because they can no longer refresh it.". There are no reports of Ohio's SofS website going down.

This is proof positive that Anonymous did indeed actively firewall Rove.

1:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9TwuR0jCavk#t=86s

3:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9TwuR0jCavk#t=230s

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