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One of my movie-watching bad habits is that I noitice conspicuous anachronisms in modern-ish period pieces. In Wonder Woman, for instance, Steve Trevor encourages Sameer (who's posing as Steve's driver) with the phrase "you got this." That's a pointedly post-period term, so it kind of stands out to me.
Of course, the film is about an ass-kicking goddess fighting a chemically-enhanced German super-soldier whom she suspects is the literal God of War, so I recognize that a suspension of disbelief is required. But if Sameer had been driving a Humvee, it would still have seemed odd.
Although verbal anachronisms don't ruin a movie or show for me, they tend to resonate.
So I was watching Stranger Things last night, and Max sort of playfully addresses Lucas as "stalker." To the best of my recollection, the term "stalker" hadn't yet entered the public consciousness in 1984. In fact, in 1982 GI Joe debuted a ranger character code named "Stalker," and in 1990 California was the first state to craft anti-stalking laws (following the death of Rebecca Schaeffer, among other factors).
So I don't think that Max would have called Lucas "stalker," and I don't think that he'd have had any context to understand the term as she meant it. If anything, he'd likely have thought of the Invisible Stalker from Dungeons and Dragons.
Quirky.
Still, I like the show well enough, and this weird pedantry is just a parenthetical diversion for me...
Glorfindel
(9,739 posts)to mean "follow obsessively" or "shadow." Maybe because I loved the novel "The Deer Stalker" as a boy or because of Sherlock Holmes' deerstalker hat, the word slipped smoothly into the "Stranger Things" script and my mind. Congratulations on an excellent catch, and thank you for posting it!
Orrex
(63,228 posts)They get so many nice era-specific touches right that it's worth overlooking the blips.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)couldn't stop watching..fabulous set..excellent writing, and very talented actors - and so YOUNG!!!
Orrex
(63,228 posts)The kids really seem natural together, like the director grabbed a bunch of friends out of class and put them in front of a camera.
The show suffers a bit from the phenomenon of the twenty-something high school kid, but that's minor.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)Orrex
(63,228 posts)Max's garbage can note to the guys addresses them as "creeps," so I think that's how she'd continue to address them ever befriending them.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)I think Sara Connor used it in Terminator 1 (1984) (referring to her friends boyfriend?)
Orrex
(63,228 posts)I didn't remember that one, but it sounds right.
bdtrppr6
(796 posts)was the use of "douche bag" in the first season. No one said "douche bag" in the 80's, at least not grade school kids. I know- I was one!
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)I was an 80s kid too, and I can tell you that douchebag was an incredibly common insult at my school.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,906 posts)but I do notice lots of anachronisms in many movies and shows. The one that bothers me a lot is putting wedding bands on all married men, regardless of the era. They did not become common until after WWII, and in fact most men married before 1950 did not wear one. So when I see something set any time before then and the men have wedding rings, it's very jarring.
Also women shaking hands. Women rarely shook hands with anyone until well into the 1960's. And for a long time almost all of them did that, I don't know what to call it, broken wing thing where their hand was quite limp. Every once in a while I'll run into that again, and it's weird. But if you watch movies actually made before the mid-60's, you will see that when women are being introduced to each other or to men, they don't shake hands.
Orrex
(63,228 posts)Now I'm confident that I'll see them all the time!
My son is almost 14 and has been a car-nut for his whole life. He's very adept at spotting anachronistic vehicles in movies and shows, and he even cries foul when a car's engine makes the wrong sound. "That car didn't exist in the US until 1986, and the engine doesn't sound anything like that," for instance.
It's always fun to see how people's different knowledge and experiences inform their movie-watching!
Glorfindel
(9,739 posts)When I was a boy, I was taught never to extend a hand to a woman or to an older man for a handshake. If they wanted to shake hands, they had to make the first move, and women almost never did. A lot of them hugged me, though, which I really didn't mind but usually pretended to for form's sake. I've never paid attention to the wedding band thing, but then jewelry of any kind is of little or no interest to me.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,906 posts)I remember being told when I was a teen, that it was up to me (despite my screen name, I am a woman) if I wanted to shake hands. By the time I hit young adulthood it was changing, and most people did shake hands on first greeting or being introduced. For a long time the limp handshake persisted with women, but it does seem to have died ouot.
I apparently was not a full on limp hand shaker, but my husband did teach me exactly how to shake hands when we were first dating. Very useful instructions.
Fla Dem
(23,768 posts)and both had wedding rings. Just middle class folks, not high society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_ring
https://simplysuave.co.nz/blog/history-of-mens-wedding-rings
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,906 posts)that wedding bands for men were just beginning to become more common.
My parents were married in 1942, and Dad did not wear one. I don't recall seeing any on the hands of the fathers of my age mates.
Yes, even Life Magazine by the end of WWII was noticing that more men were wearing them, and often it was the wives pushing for the rings, so that their husbands would be marked, as it were, as being already taken.
I also suspect that the jewelry companies had a lot to do with the growth of men's wedding bands. The profit to be gained by selling matching his and her wedding rings would have been a huge incentive to push them.
Glamrock
(11,802 posts)You just made me realize why my wife rolls her eyes at me when we discuss movies.
Orrex
(63,228 posts)I think that I lost friends and received threats due to my questions about Guardians o' The Galaxy, so I'm gratified to know that others are afflicted by the same madness!
FSogol
(45,532 posts)It's premise put Arthur Conan Doyle and Harry Houdini together to solve mysteries.
It was full of terms like "garbage in, garage out", "serial killer," and "Tuberculosis" (know as consumption in those times)
Even if you bought the premise, the writers didn't care to learn much about the period or Doyle's writing at all and it showed.
Orrex
(63,228 posts)Sometimes I don't mind, when the out-of-time modernness is part of the conceit (such as the modern musical score for A Knights Tale or the similarly anachronistic song selection in American Horror Story: Freaks.) In those cases the writers/directors are sort of playing with the audience, so a different standard applies.
Equally, I don't need Clash of the Titans to be spoken in Ancient Greek, etc.
But when they otherwise make a serious effort at reproducing the period, it activates my geek sense.