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rogerballard

(2,889 posts)
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:39 AM Jan 2018

I laughed, I cried and then I fainted...

I know it has been cold, 4 room apartment, I thought this amount was extremely high, this does not include electric. Grand Rapids, Michigan. December 5 through January 8, cats are staying warm. Now I have to put this on a credit card. Thanks for letting me vent.

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I laughed, I cried and then I fainted... (Original Post) rogerballard Jan 2018 OP
It's not at all clear what those numbers mean. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #1
It is in the post Poindexter... rogerballard Jan 2018 #2
Still not as clear as you think it is. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #5
The bill is for $158.90. yardwork Jan 2018 #10
My gas bill is a whole lot more in the winter than PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #18
Notice the minus sign on $96.00 rogerballard Jan 2018 #4
It looks like the present month was 60% higher than last month. fierywoman Jan 2018 #3
I used nearly 1/2 tank of oil this past month janterry Jan 2018 #6
I feel your pain. zanana1 Jan 2018 #8
I kept it really low, too janterry Jan 2018 #9
I think gas and oil are different from say a full electric dewsgirl Jan 2018 #7
That seems outrageously high, especially if it's all electric. yardwork Jan 2018 #11
I know, they have came out and checked our box..etc. dewsgirl Jan 2018 #13
I have a 2000 sq ft house in NJ near Philly discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #15
There are no competing suppliers, if you live in the county here. It doesn't even include trash dewsgirl Jan 2018 #17
I cut my electric bill in half overnight bluecollar2 Jan 2018 #29
Thank you very much downloaded this to tell my husband. dewsgirl Jan 2018 #30
You have mail. bluecollar2 Jan 2018 #33
Doesn't seem that high for the horrid weather. BUT, if you don't have the money then it is a real patricia92243 Jan 2018 #12
+1, I was going to suggest it. My Dec bill is usually 50-75% higher than FSogol Jan 2018 #22
Is the program called LHEAP(?)? I believe that is dewsgirl Jan 2018 #32
NO - this is not a program. This is through your electric company or gas campany. It patricia92243 Jan 2018 #34
It is a bit brisk in those parts discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #14
I'm from the "Okie" part of the world where WhiteTara Jan 2018 #16
my sympathies steve2470 Jan 2018 #19
My January gas bill is almost the same as yours FakeNoose Jan 2018 #20
Yes, a 4 room apartment... rogerballard Jan 2018 #21
I had to buy my cat an electric blanket... zanana1 Jan 2018 #24
That sounds adorable and incredibly sweet of you.😊 dewsgirl Jan 2018 #31
Ah Roger.. annabanana Jan 2018 #23
You don't have to do that... rogerballard Jan 2018 #25
I can't do anything about the financial burden True Dough Jan 2018 #26
Thank you for this... rogerballard Jan 2018 #27
We're not all that well acquainted True Dough Jan 2018 #28

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
1. It's not at all clear what those numbers mean.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:45 AM
Jan 2018

Gas bill? For what period of time? What has the temperature been?

$96.00 for a month of heat does not seem outrageous.

rogerballard

(2,889 posts)
2. It is in the post Poindexter...
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 04:49 AM
Jan 2018

Below Freezing, that is $158.90 for one month, hope that clears that up for you.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
5. Still not as clear as you think it is.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 07:54 AM
Jan 2018

I gather you paid $96.00 for one month of heating. Exactly how cold was it? The bill doesn't tell me. But apparently (and again not exactly obvious to the casual observer since you don't show the entire bill) it was a lot higher the next month.

Again, how cold was it?

I'm also guessing that you have the misfortune to live in a place with crappy insulation, which is no fun at all. Even if the cost of heating were free, it takes a lot of heat to be something close to comfortable.

I sympathize. As a child in upstate NY (a bit north of Utica) in the 1950's and early 1960's, we regularly experienced temperatures well below zero. Minus 20 was not uncommon. And the home my parents had built had zero insulation, which was typical back then. I can recall feeling the cold seep into the walls while the furnace ran without stopping.

However, the cost of heating does tend to be less than the cost of cooling, so living in, say Phoenix, when it's 110 or 120 degrees is not all that different from heating up from 0 degrees.

I've lived in both Minnesota and Phoenix as an adult, and know.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
18. My gas bill is a whole lot more in the winter than
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:17 PM
Jan 2018

it is in the summer. No surprise since I have gas heat and it's colder in the winter than in the summer.

My numbers aren't that high, but the percentage difference is similar.

zanana1

(6,122 posts)
8. I feel your pain.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:07 AM
Jan 2018

I'm in NH and I use about that much every month. I rent a small apartment so my tenant is never cold, but I freeze my ass off trying to keep my oil bill a bit smaller.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
9. I kept it really low, too
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:15 AM
Jan 2018

usually close to 51 or 52 degrees. And still...........

I have a cord of wood that I just started burning last w/e (well, once!), but I hope that will help.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
7. I think gas and oil are different from say a full electric
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 08:53 AM
Jan 2018

bill. l live in Florida and I do live in a house, my FPL bill was $607.00 last month and in the summer it's never under $500.00. We are a family of 6, everyone is usually shocked by the amount, it is killing us. I have tried all the tips and tricks nothing makes much of a difference.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
11. That seems outrageously high, especially if it's all electric.
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:11 AM
Jan 2018

Your bill is never under $500 in the summer? How big is your house?

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
15. I have a 2000 sq ft house in NJ near Philly
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:47 AM
Jan 2018

Heat in the Winter and AC in the Summer. The bill with PSE&G is for both electric and gas. I on a year round averaged payment plan of a bit over $300/month. Check the price of your supplier. Check the prices of competing suppliers (if any).


OTOH there's no free lunch. My property taxes are $600+/month.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
17. There are no competing suppliers, if you live in the county here. It doesn't even include trash
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:41 AM
Jan 2018

Which is $120 a year, or water which is approx, 35.00 a month, I guess we are lucky that isn't more. Our home owners insurance is approx. $3000.00, a year, at least that's not terrible considering the hurricanes, it's rolled into our mortgage so it may be more now. We did get it down to $450.00 for a couple months a few years ago. It's ridiculous, we don't even have a pool, we do have a hot tub we barely run. The town I live in is considered the Hamptons of Florida, flipping Betsy Devos lives here half the year.
Our bill is still consisted very high, some of the mansions on the beach here aren't that high, of course many of the wealthy people in this town are some of the cheapest people I have ever met.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
29. I cut my electric bill in half overnight
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 10:40 PM
Jan 2018

Went from over $400.00 per month in the summer to less than $200.00.

This was in Fort Worth, Texas.

2200 square foot single story.

How?

Radiant barrier spray coating and insulation upgrade.

Wasn't cheap, about $3400.00 if I remember correctly but made all the difference in the world.

Also cut my winter heating bill by half.

Definitely worth looking into.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
33. You have mail.
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 09:06 AM
Jan 2018

Not sure if I am allowed to promote an individual company.


BTW...the procedure may still qualify as a tax-deductible energy improvement.

patricia92243

(12,597 posts)
12. Doesn't seem that high for the horrid weather. BUT, if you don't have the money then it is a real
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:25 AM
Jan 2018

problem.

We have our bill set up so that we pay the same amount year round. Then once a year they adjust it up or down. This way we don't have any nasty surprises along the way.

If that way of paying is available in your area, you should give it a try.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
22. +1, I was going to suggest it. My Dec bill is usually 50-75% higher than
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 08:51 AM
Jan 2018

all my other electric bills due to the cold, Christmas lights, and increased visitors to my home.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
32. Is the program called LHEAP(?)? I believe that is
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 07:35 AM
Jan 2018

FPL's year round program, we didn't qualify. Although I need to reapply now, my husband has been a contractor, for the last 20 years so basically the couple times we have needed help for anything we were turned down. He makes literally 75% more money on our taxes than his take home pay actually is. He also had 4 employees and paid for all his own fuel. (He is a mover/lead driver) In August he left the company, and now has a new job, is no longer contractor.

patricia92243

(12,597 posts)
34. NO - this is not a program. This is through your electric company or gas campany. It
Tue Jan 16, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jan 2018

just makes making a set payment all year long easier to handle - no big bill suddenly.

Even some oil companies have something like this.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
14. It is a bit brisk in those parts
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 10:40 AM
Jan 2018

I worked there for 2 years. Zipcode 49512. I remember driving past a lighted temperature display that often said single digits in the Winter... not always on the plus side either.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
16. I'm from the "Okie" part of the world where
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jan 2018

we learned to put plastic over the windows. Now you can get stuff that is clear and it works. I still use it. We covered the patio door that leaks like a sieve and my Moroccan dna memories taught me to cover the walls with rugs or blankets.

That is a hell of a heating bill for sure. Sorry for that.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
20. My January gas bill is almost the same as yours
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 09:39 PM
Jan 2018

But I'm heating a whole house, and you say this is for a 4-room apartment? It does seem high.

I keep my thermostat at a chilly 62 degrees. And I use small electric space heaters to warm up the area by the computer, or the TV or the bathroom, whatever. So it keeps my gas down but the electric goes up in the winter months. All my friends are used to seeing me in heavy sweaters over turtleneck shirts (layers) during the winter months.


rogerballard

(2,889 posts)
21. Yes, a 4 room apartment...
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 04:48 AM
Jan 2018

According to the landlord it was built 101 years ago, it is 4 apartments, two on the lower, two on the upper, side by side. Absolutely no insulation at all. I imagine the wood is beautiful underneath all the coats of white glossy paint over the years, trim and ceiling. We did have a brief warm up of 51 degrees, and we are now in another Arctic blast. Got to keep the cats warm.

zanana1

(6,122 posts)
24. I had to buy my cat an electric blanket...
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 12:08 PM
Jan 2018

I am extremely heat intolerant, so my thermostat stays at 52 degrees. I worried that my cat was cold. People who come to my house keep their coats on. The blanket idea was vet approved.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
23. Ah Roger..
Sun Jan 14, 2018, 09:02 AM
Jan 2018

When I get my gas bill here on Long Island, I'll post it so you can feel better.



Actually, Here's my last dashboard, before the cold snap:

Account Balance:

Current Bill Charges:
$277.90
Billing Period:
11/09/2017 - 12/12/2017 (33 days)

rogerballard

(2,889 posts)
25. You don't have to do that...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:02 AM
Jan 2018

I know there are lots of higher gas bills out there, this was my highest gas bill in all of the 4 years that I have lived here. I was kind of shocked. Sorry for the rant. Stay warm.

True Dough

(17,306 posts)
26. I can't do anything about the financial burden
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 03:42 AM
Jan 2018

But since you are a man who appreciates music, Roger, here's something to look forward to...




rogerballard

(2,889 posts)
27. Thank you for this...
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 04:09 AM
Jan 2018

I was 11 when this song came out, loved it then and still love it today. Do we know each other? I love all music from A to Z. Thank you True Dough. You know me too well.

True Dough

(17,306 posts)
28. We're not all that well acquainted
Mon Jan 15, 2018, 09:42 AM
Jan 2018

but I see your music posts periodically in the Lounge. There's a bit of a generation gap because I wasn't born until '73. I have an appreciation of some of the gems before my time but there's still a lot of that music I've unfamiliar with, of course.

Anyway, be well, Roger. Better days ahead!

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