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Related: Culture Forums, Support ForumsWhat do Donald J. Trump and George W. Bush have in common?
They both became President of the United States without winning a majority of the popular vote.
(Thanks to the Electoral College)
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)doc03
(35,345 posts)won by the Electoral vote were Democrats.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)of the 19th century were not at all like the parties of today. The Republican party didn't exist until 1854 and they were the anti-slavery liberals of the time, while the Democrats were the anti-federal government populists.
doc03
(35,345 posts)the last two Republican presidents over the American peoples choice?
The Electoral College was created to prevent people such as Bush and Trump from being president.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)that obviously didn't even work all that well in the early days. My only point was that it wasn't designed to favor one party over the other. Adams was a member of the anti-federalist Democratic-Republican Party, but so were all the other candidates running against him; Hayes was a Republican back when Republicans were still liberals; and Harrison was a Republican who favored high federal spending and antitrust regulation. So winning on account of Electoral College never had anything to do with politics.
The reason the EC doesn't work fairly is because of the way electoral votes are allocated. Each state gets 2 votes for its number of senators, plus additional votes corresponding to the number of representatives it has. But a 1911 statute, which hasn't been amended since, limits the total number of representatives to 435. Although representatives are determined by a state's population, all states are entitled to at least one but the total can't exceed 435. So Wyoming, with the smallest population (585,000), gets 3 electoral votes, 2 for its senators and 1 for its single representative. There is a formula for allocating representatives, but because the total is limited to 435, the end result is that a large-population state like California (39 million), doesn't get as many representatives relative to its population as Wyoming, or therefore as many electoral votes in proportion to its population. If Wyoming can have 3 electoral votes with a population of 585,000 (195,000 = 1 EV), California should have 200 electoral votes, but it has only 55, or 1 EV for every 709,000 people.
The reason the EC now tends to disadvantage Democratic candidates is because most, though not all, of the large-population states tend to vote Democratic. It was not designed to do that when it was created, but because of the huge increase in population along with the unchanged limit on total representatives, it has become unfair in application. I think it should be eliminated (which would require a Constitutional amendment); or at least the number of electoral votes allocated to each state should reflect that state's population.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,107 posts)None of it good.